73 replies to this topic

[mclarensmps]

Bernie is no angel by any means, but be careful what you wish for. 

[Risil]

Unless your real name is "Warren Buffet" you are probably not in a position to criticize the profitability of Ecclestone's business.

 

Haha

[Jimisgod]

Unless your real name is "Warren Buffet" you are probably not in a position to criticize the profitability of Ecclestone's business.

Or a German judge... then you may be in the correct position to criticize...

[whitewaterMkII]

Paging Roger Penske...or a reasonable facsimile.

[aditya-now]

* Yes! Yes! Yes! That's what I'm talking about, guys! That's what I'm talking about! *

 

   

 

 

 

I am happy not to have to hear those words anymore in 2014....

[aditya-now]

Horner .... because good yes men are hard to find....

 

Horner is a bit too one-dimensional, methinks. Toto Wolff would be another calibre, but probably not in discussion.

[loki]

 

 

Grreat job for wolfe

 

But do you think she wants to give up driving just yet?

[Ross Stonefeld]

btw how is it that this was good enough to publish in the Guardian, but seemingly nowhere else? You'd think it'd be a pretty big F1 story...

[LuckyStrike1]

btw how is it that this was good enough to publish in the Guardian, but seemingly nowhere else? You'd think it'd be a pretty big F1 story...

 

The more F1-related media too afraid to publish something negative about Bernie before having 100 % proof facts about the story? 

 

I've always had the impression the more regular F1-media, Autosport included, tows the Bernie/F1 line and is very careful about criticism towards the establishment they are a part of in fear of being punished for it. Dieter Rencken perhaps the exception to the rule. 

 

Of course it could just have been a rumour without any substance ... 

Edited by LuckyStrike1, 06 July 2014 - 11:13.

[Risil]

btw how is it that this was good enough to publish in the Guardian, but seemingly nowhere else? You'd think it'd be a pretty big F1 story...

 

Not a lot of news in it really. "An insider" says that CVC are looking to sell up. Not sure I've read that in so many words before, so that's good. The need for a successor plan and a generally more professional administration spin off from that, but we already knew that FOM doesn't do marketing, Bernie's in court and Toto Wolff is very frustrated with how everything's being run.

 

The Guardian's F1 coverage isn't very substantial so they can probably afford to piss off who they like.

Edited by Risil, 06 July 2014 - 11:07.

[chumma]

Martin Whitmarsh.

[wepmob2000]

Bernie is no angel by any means, but be careful what you wish for.

Agreed. At least he has a genuine passion for racing, although this is often lost in his lust for money. Imagine if the CVC bean-counters get one of their own blood-sucking kind in charge, the type of people for whom life starts and finishes at the bottom line :-/

[Murl]

Agreed. At least he has a genuine passion for racing, although this is often lost in his lust for money. Imagine if the CVC bean-counters get one of their own blood-sucking kind in charge, the type of people for whom life starts and finishes at the bottom line :-/

He comes across as being far less interested in racing than money.

[Mohican]

Ecclestone's past success should not be seen as a guarantee of his being the best person to take F1 forward - quite apart from the fact that he is 84, and any sane board would have retired him in 2000. Always assuming that there was a board, or any other kind of corporate governance.

The current business model is based on a combination of race hosting fees and TV income, with no thought paid to what the internet may (or will) do to the latter.
As for the race hosting fees, they have now become so large that they require some form of public sector/government participation - which explains Abu Dhabi, Bahrain, etc but also the disappearance of the French GP (the world's first, remember) and of course many others, both old and new. Above all, this has in itself become unsustainable; particularly if there should ever be some kind of democratic review of such decisions.

History is full of world leading corporations that have gone under because of a failure to understand, and adapt to, progress.
Kodak, anyone ?

[PayasYouRace]

Ecclestone's past success should not be seen as a guarantee of his being the best person to take F1 forward - quite apart from the fact that he is 84, and any sane board would have retired him in 2000.
 

 

Interesting that you say that. For a while I've felt that Bernie was exactly the man F1 needed in the 20th century, and has been progressively worse for the sport as the 21st century matures.

[hollowstar]

Martin Whitmarsh.

 

Has anyone received recent proof of life? 

[LuckyStrike1]

Has anyone received recent proof of life? 

 

 

No. Sam Michael is probably to blame. 

[wepmob2000]

All of the worlds problems can be blamed on Sam Michael.

[wepmob2000]

He comes across as being far less interested in racing than money.

Sometimes, when you read intelligent interviews with Bernie, his genuine passion for motorsport comes through. I suspect however his love of making money trumps this nowadays :-(

[jjcale]

btw how is it that this was good enough to publish in the Guardian, but seemingly nowhere else? You'd think it'd be a pretty big F1 story...

 

More proof that there is no press freedom in The People's Republic of Formula One....

[jjcale]

This is why Bernie needs to go...

 

 

When a ranting douchebag on youtube is more popular (using some metrics) than CNN's Wolf Blitzer in the same time slot you know that you are now living a very different world from 20, 10 or even 5 years ago. 

 

BTW ... someone explain to the younger members who Blitzer is...

[Ross Stonefeld]

More proof that there is no press freedom in The People's Republic of Formula One....

 

I don't think it's an issue of press freedom so much as a lack of press. Very few of them even want to make waves.

[loki]

 

 

When a ranting douchebag on youtube is more popular (using some metrics) than CNN's Wolf Blitzer in the same time slot you know that you are now living a very different world from 20, 10 or even 5 years ago. 

 

BTW ... someone explain to the younger members who Blitzer is...

I didn't know Bernie had a You Tube channel...

[Murl]

Sometimes, when you read intelligent interviews with Bernie, his genuine passion for motorsport comes through. I suspect however his love of making money trumps this nowadays :-(

 

I guess I'm thinking of his actions, he demonstrates in concrete manner just how much he cares about motorsport.