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#1 Doug Nye

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Posted 06 July 2014 - 19:41

I was both greatly amused and impressed this afternoon by Lewis Hamiton's disappointment at what looked like a plastic bauble Santander trophy for winning the British GP, instead of the long-time traditional old 'gold' Mervyn O'Gorman Trophy from the RAC.  "Where's the gold one then?  This one's broken already!" or words to similar effect.  I guess he got to hold the proper job last time he won at Silverstone?  Wasn't there once a thread here on Mervyn O'Gorman?  I can't find it on search.

 

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#2 Gary C

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Posted 06 July 2014 - 19:53

Apparently, Doug, he got his hands on it for the post-race, non-TV, interviews.



#3 Atreiu

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Posted 06 July 2014 - 21:03

All the money in the world and crap turd like trophies, that's the message I get from Santander.



#4 Odseybod

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Posted 06 July 2014 - 21:04

He had it for the Beeb's post-race Red (as opposed to Jenson) Button show.  Chap who was in charge of it apparently suggested Coulthard had damaged it (dropped it?) when he won it a few years ago.



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Posted 06 July 2014 - 21:11

All the money in the world and crap turd like trophies, that's the message I get from Santander.

Some people may not have seen this ...

 

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#6 Kristian

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Posted 06 July 2014 - 22:18

I know this has been mentioned before, but isn't there a regulation saying trophies should not be designed to look like a commercial logo/represnetation? And if so, why do Santander always get away with these hideous trophies? 



#7 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 07 July 2014 - 02:11

ENI/Agip did it, and famously the Marlboro steering wheels. 

 

Santander give these trophies out at all the races they sponsor, with the exception of the Silverstone winner. This was the first year the winner didn't get the traditional one.



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Posted 07 July 2014 - 04:08

I find it bizarre that Silverstone drum up all the publicity and put on a big show celebrating their 50 years of the British GP and THAT'S the race they decide they won't use their traditional big gold trophy? Except they changed their minds after the moment had passed? What on earth? I almost wonder if it was an accident and it got temporarily mislaid.

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Posted 07 July 2014 - 05:27

All the money in the world and crap turd like trophies, that's the message I get from Santander.

 

The best spin I can put on it is "we at Santander spend your money on wise investments, rather than baubles for multi-millionaires".  If Santander didn't get the worst ratings of big banks that might be a good point.



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Posted 07 July 2014 - 07:42

Can someone please refresh my memory as there seem to have been several different trophies.  I believe lewis hamilton was talking about the Mervyn O'Gorman Trophy is, a gold statue of classical figure dating back to the original RAC British GPs at Brooklands.  There's also the Fred G Craner Memorial Trophy (Fred Craner was Secretary of the Derby & District Motor Club and the force behind the Donington GPs).  This was/is a silver cup which was introduced postwar in 1948 or 1949 and awarded to the first British driver home .  Whatever happened to it?  At times the RAC also presented a silver cup, but I think these were awarded on a year by year basis rather than a perpetual trophy

Pictures anyone?.



#11 Allan Lupton

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Posted 07 July 2014 - 07:47

I find it bizarre that Silverstone drum up all the publicity and put on a big show celebrating their 50 years of the British GP and THAT'S the race they decide they won't use their traditional big gold trophy? Except they changed their minds after the moment had passed? What on earth? I almost wonder if it was an accident and it got temporarily mislaid.

as I've been banging on elsewhere, they didn't seem to understand the difference between having held 50 GPs at Silverstone and 50 years of GPs there - the former being right of course and the latter wrong as they held their first in 1948. Such a lack of awareness probably accounts for the absence of a decent trophy at that 50th event.

Poor show too - I'm glad I don't even think of attending these days.



#12 Stephen W

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Posted 07 July 2014 - 08:18

Don't these trophies live in the MSA Trophy Cabinet at headquarters?

 

Surely it isn't beyond the wit of man to ensure all relevant trophies are delivered to the venue of the British GP just in case they are won?

 

Maybe the powers that be don't want very valuable trophies presented on the rostrum to drivers who then act like six year olds using bottles of champagne like water pistols! Far better to award them after the rostrum shenanigans and prior to the press conference.



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Posted 07 July 2014 - 08:34

I think I read somewhere that the red plastic thingies were the result of a (kindergarten?) art competition, with the first prize being that your design would be presented on the podium at the British and another GP, maybe Germany.  So someone somewhere is no doubt feeling quite proud, assuming they were allowed by their parents to stay up after tea to watch the ceremony and missed all the subsequent comment about their winning design.

 

In answer to Duncan's earlier question, I'm pretty sure I saw the Fred Cramer Trophy four of five years ago at a press preview of one of the big Donington historic meetings, maybe See Red (by coincidence!).  So hopefully it wasn't melted down as part-funding for their Grand Prix bid and is still around.  I think there were different podium trophies when the BGP was at Brands, rather than Silverstone, but where are they now?  Not sure what the Boy received for his Aintree win?

 



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Posted 07 July 2014 - 08:39

I think I read somewhere that the red plastic thingies were the result of a (kindergarten?) art competition, with the first prize being that your design would be presented on the podium at the British and another GP, maybe Germany.  So someone somewhere is no doubt feeling quite proud, assuming they were allowed by their parents to stay up after tea to watch the ceremony and missed all the subsequent comment about their winning design.

 

In answer to Duncan's earlier question, I'm pretty sure I saw the Fred Cramer Trophy four of five years ago at a press preview of one of the big Donington historic meetings, maybe See Red (by coincidence!).  So hopefully it wasn't melted down as part-funding for their Grand Prix bid and is still around.  I think there were different podium trophies when the BGP was at Brands, rather than Silverstone, but where are they now?  Not sure what the Boy received for his Aintree win?

According to the Times this morning the big gold cup lives in Pall Mall



#15 Allan Lupton

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Posted 07 July 2014 - 10:02

Don't these trophies live in the MSA Trophy Cabinet at headquarters?

Shouldn't think so

According to the Times this morning the big gold cup lives in Pall Mall

As it should, as it would date from well before the RAC Competitions Department moved to Belgrave Square, let alone was rebranded as MSA and sent to Colnbrook



#16 Alan Cox

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Posted 07 July 2014 - 10:49

From the BBC Sport website

Lewis Hamilton has been staying at his father Anthony's house during the race weekend, getting to and from the circuit via helicopter.

"Having home cooked food made me more relaxed, it was incredible," he says. "You can't imagine the feeling I have in my heart now [from the fans].

"I'm proud to be British, I love the flag. I just wish our national anthem went on longer as the German one went on forever.

"It really needs to be the turning point. But I don't take yesterday lightly. It's not been the perfect weekend.

"I was looking for the gold trophy but they did not have it. They don't make trophies like that anymore!"

 

The trophy banter continues in the news conference as Lewis Hamilton says: "The bottom fell off the trophy on the podium. It's plastic. It must have cost about £10."

He pauses and then says: "Don't write anything bad about that, though."

Valtteri Bottas chips in: "Too late." Hamilton laughs saying: "Yeah, that was off the record."

 

 

 

Scroll down to '16.57' on this blog and you will find a photo of the trophy

http://www.bbc.co.uk...rmula1/28178073



#17 RacingMonk

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Posted 07 July 2014 - 12:02

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#18 Alan Cox

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Posted 07 July 2014 - 12:12

Is that today's equivalent of being designed on the back of a fag packet?



#19 SophieB

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Posted 07 July 2014 - 13:57

Care of Nico Rosberg on twitter, the trophy is now on a little rare outing to the Mercedes team factory. I guess in the process just raising more questions than answers. 
 
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#20 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 07 July 2014 - 14:11

I'm not up on the history, or even the name, of the trophy. Is it like the Indy 500 where there's only one trophy which lives somewhere else and you get your name added to it? 

 

I went back through Brit GP pictures since the Santander sponsorship started, to see the winner's trophy. Some years it appeared not to have the base?



#21 E.B.

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Posted 07 July 2014 - 14:17

Is it like the Indy 500 where there's only one trophy which lives somewhere else and you get your name added to it?


The 500 winner used to (and maybe still does) get a miniature Borg-Warner trophy to keep. VERY miniature, according to Mrs Bobby Unser.

#22 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 07 July 2014 - 14:28

Yeah, they're almost souvenirs

 

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#23 ensign14

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Posted 07 July 2014 - 14:42

The 500 winner used to (and maybe still does) get a miniature Borg-Warner trophy to keep. VERY miniature, according to Mrs Bobby Unser.

 

She's obviously spoilt.



#24 Doug Nye

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Posted 07 July 2014 - 18:45

If I recall correctly - the O'Gorman Trophy was at best gilt...not pure gold...

 

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#25 Geoff E

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Posted 07 July 2014 - 18:50

As long as they don't scrape the gold paint off ...



#26 Doug Nye

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Posted 07 July 2014 - 21:08

Indeed - when I studied it close up about five years ago it really was pretty ropey... But as above, I was really impressed by Lewis saying precisely what he thought. If only he'd bin those naff bloody ear studs.

 

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#27 kayemod

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Posted 07 July 2014 - 22:33

If only he'd bin those naff bloody ear studs.

 

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#28 RStock

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Posted 07 July 2014 - 23:44

Good on Lewis for even noticing. I'm not sure how many drivers would.



#29 fer312t

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Posted 08 July 2014 - 09:46

To be fair, this is the original proposal (from a Spanish design student) that won the trophy design contest

I guess Santander thought making it out of ~red plastic would be same difference. While not my particular taste either way (and certainly not a fan of these sponsor trophies,) they really let their contest winner down with their ghastly realization....

 

I agree though - credit to Lewis for calling them on it :up:

 

 

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Posted 08 July 2014 - 15:58

Good on Lewis for even noticing. I'm not sure how many drivers would.

 

Only the ones that have won the British GP more than once I reckon!



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Posted 08 July 2014 - 19:46

To be fair, this is the original proposal (from a Spanish design student) that won the trophy design contest

I guess Santander thought making it out of ~red plastic would be same difference. While not my particular taste either way (and certainly not a fan of these sponsor trophies,) they really let their contest winner down with their ghastly realization....

 

I agree though - credit to Lewis for calling them on it :up:

 

 

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You could have someone's eye out with that!



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Posted 09 July 2014 - 05:11

If only he'd bin those naff bloody ear studs.

 

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Seconded! :up: