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[Newbrray]

I guess this issue of FRIC has now gone mute ….Since Mercedes still has the advantage

 

I guess some teams shot themselves in the foot and handicapped themselves

 

No worries, will wait for the next thread on what the FIA is doing to clamp down Mercedes (Heard rumours they will be looking and the Turbo and ERS next)

[jestaudio]

It should probably be considered a success, actually. They get rid of an extra cost for the teams and it changes nothing in terms of the competitiveness.

After millions poured into research and development, well if thats the FIA definition of cost saving thank whichever deity you honour they ain't in charge of a major financial organisation

[Timstr11]

I guess this issue of FRIC has now gone mute ….Since Mercedes still has the advantage

 

I guess some teams shot themselves in the foot and handicapped themselves

 

No worries, will wait for the next thread on what the FIA is doing to clamp down Mercedes (Heard rumours they will be looking and the Turbo and ERS next)

A bit too early to say. The Hungary GP will be a better test to see the effect of Fric-less cars.

[garagetinkerer]

After millions poured into research and development, well if thats the FIA definition of cost saving thank whichever deity you honour they ain't in charge of a major financial organisation

If you think the teams will stop spending money, i have a bridge that i will like to sell you

[Mart280]

Alan Mcnish seems to think Ferrari and McLaren have been the biggest losers http://www.bbc.co.uk...rmula1/28440479 and expects McLaren to struggle this weekend.

[RubalSher]

Alan Mcnish seems to think Ferrari and McLaren have been the biggest losers http://www.bbc.co.uk...rmula1/28440479 and expects McLaren to struggle this weekend.

 

Dont know if this has any substance given he seems to be basing on how far off did each car finish. In any case, the order seems to be unchanged from what I could tell.

[MetallurgicalHedonist]

I guess the consequences can be seen step by step. Mercedes is not that dominant anymore.

 

Mercedes 2014 was as dumb as McLaren 1998. Meaning by showing everything so that, regarding McLaren 1998, it was banned (brakes) after the second (?) race in 1998 or, regarding Mercedes, by mid-season in 2014 (FRIC).

 

Newey learned in 2011 from his McLaren 1998 time. And now people say the RedBulls were not that dominant in 2011. Only because they were clever to not show everything in a real drastic way. Only one time, it became "dangerous" (Silverstone 2011) and something was altered in the regulations only to be re-altered again after Silverstone 2011 (I don't know how RedBull could pull that off that it was re-altered again).

[hollowstar]

Is it not Lotus that lost the most?  I feel like Red Bull may have gained a bit as well on Mercedes, but I could be wrong. 

[goingthedistance]

They said it would be track specific, and that Hungary with it's many slow and medium speed corners it would be at the more drastic end. I think based on the race pace it looked like Red Bull had made inroads. But there was so much going on it was difficult to be sure. I guess Singapore is the next track we can look at. 

[George Costanza]

I guess the consequences can be seen step by step. Mercedes is not that dominant anymore.

 

Mercedes 2014 was as dumb as McLaren 1998. Meaning by showing everything so that, regarding McLaren 1998, it was banned (brakes) after the second (?) race in 1998 or, regarding Mercedes, by mid-season in 2014 (FRIC).

 

Newey learned in 2011 from his McLaren 1998 time. And now people say the RedBulls were not that dominant in 2011. Only because they were clever to not show everything in a real drastic way. Only one time, it became "dangerous" (Silverstone 2011) and something was altered in the regulations only to be re-altered again after Silverstone 2011 (I don't know how RedBull could pull that off that it was re-altered again).

 

The 1998 McLaren was by far the best car even wtihout the breaksteer, if it wasn't for Schumacher, it would still be the best car on the grid by a mile....It was banned after Brazil because of Ferrari. If Ferrari never said anything, that 1998 Mac would be probably the most dominat car of all time given the drivers? Mika ok, he was top class. but DC? he was just "average". Take away Michael in '98, the Mac wins by a huge, huge deal with/without break steer. Schumacher in his absolute prime, in the 1998 Ferrari (which was a very quick car in own right) was 0.8 seconds down in Melbourne. And over 1 second slower in Brazil. Then in Argentina, Michael won the race and qualified in second place "only" 4 tenths down. That brake steer clearly helped, but it still was the best car overall.     With the Brake Steer, it likely would have won every race by one lap and swept poles.

 

2014 is different. The MGP is the best car,  but unlike McLaren, they have arugably the best driver pair in F1. And that helps quite a bit.

 

People love to say that Newey designed the 1998 McLaren. But he didn't.... Neil Oatley did. Adrian came too late in late 1997 after Williams. His first car was in 1999.  Of course, he played a huge role in development race of 1998.

Edited by George Costanza, 30 July 2014 - 03:45.