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#701 F. Scaramanga

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 14:54

"Ricciardo says Red Bull showed its hand in practice" - source autosport  :stoned: 

Nothing has changed.

Tomorrow 1-2 for MGP, Sunday afternoon 1-2 for MGP... 



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#702 Paco

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 15:12

Fia got what they wanted, gap closed and probably will be more evident in quali and the race. Prob harder to get ideal balance now so higher tire wear to boot. Yawn. I would rather the fia just have both merc drive into one another every 3rd race then banning stuff ... Either way they are fixing the championship ....

That said, I will not tune in to the quali or race for a while as a protest...

Edited by Paco, 18 July 2014 - 15:13.


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Posted 18 July 2014 - 15:27

Fia got what they wanted, gap closed and probably will be more evident in quali and the race. Prob harder to get ideal balance now so higher tire wear to boot. Yawn. I would rather the fia just have both merc drive into one another every 3rd race then banning stuff ... Either way they are fixing the championship ....

That said, I will not tune in to the quali or race for a while as a protest...

 

I don't think anyone knows for sure yet as we've only seen two practice sessions. It's been the case all season that Mercedes only ever show their true pace during Q3 and in the race when Lewis and Nico are racing. The high temperatures are surely having an effect too but either way I think it's a little too early to state the gap has clearly closed. If the Bulls are hanging on to the Mercs comfortably during the race then I think you could start to assume the gap has indeed closed. But I think a track like Spa will really confirm if the FRIC ban has hampered Mercedes more than the others.



#704 GrumpyYoungMan

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 15:34

Will they regain the time lost by removing FRIC?



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Posted 18 July 2014 - 15:35

Fia got what they wanted, gap closed and probably will be more evident in quali and the race.

Way too soon (roughly 48hrs or so) for any conclusion of the like, but assuming for the sake of argument that it was true, it’s awfully ironic that this move would not have brought close racing (*), but in stead it will have deprived us from the real HAM-ROS fight we’ve all been waiting for. Because, obviously, if MERC needs to start counting their geese (or whatever the expression is in English), then there will be blatant team orders to bring home the title(s).


(*) We might get some different winners though (Canada obviously being irrelevant to the point since there too MERC was running away with it)

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 16:07

So, at first glance, those 'in charge' got what they wanted, Mercedes reeled back in with a bullsh*t, contrived regulation change.

 

Hopefully Mercedes find the sweet spot over the weekend and blitz the rest of the field. Up yours Charlie.


Edited by superden, 18 July 2014 - 16:11.


#707 Szoelloe

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 17:10

So, at first glance, those 'in charge' got what they wanted, Mercedes reeled back in with a bullsh*t, contrived regulation change.

 

Hopefully Mercedes find the sweet spot over the weekend and blitz the rest of the field. Up yours Charlie.

 

So, at first glance, that's hogwash. Merc looks to have the same edge on the field.



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Posted 18 July 2014 - 17:45

Merc have at least a second advantage over the field still, just like what they had in Silverstone. If they have lost 1.9 seconds then so has everyone else. Hence no real change. The temps were so high today that even with FRIC the tyres would have been eaten alive and that's why Merc might be struggling on longer run pace like Williams. It's nothing to do with FRIC and everything to do with cars that are just harder on tyres when loaded up with fuel and in temps that are painfully high. 

 

The likelihood is Merc will be awesome in Quali and get an easy 1-2 and scamp away at a second a lap for the first few laps of the race before they start losing the tyres and lap at the same pace as everyone else until they stop and the cycle repeats itself. They haven't been caught yet.

 

its in comparison to their closest competitor, redbull now right in the mix on race pace.

 

the loss is due to their car balance been turned upside down and now trye wear/heat/balance issues back. so still fast in one lap pace but bad in race compared to before.
 


Edited by chrcol, 18 July 2014 - 17:48.


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Posted 18 July 2014 - 17:57

its in comparison to their closest competitor, redbull now right in the mix on race pace.

 

the loss is due to their car balance been turned upside down and now trye wear/heat/balance issues back. so still fast in one lap pace but bad in race compared to before.
 

Wishful thinking. There is absolutely no indication whatsoever of tyre deg problems, compared to any other car. Fastest stints by a margin considering usual fuel levels for FPs too.



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Posted 18 July 2014 - 18:03

Everyone was saying the same after Silverstone long runs only for Mercedes to be close to 2seconds a lap quicker.

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 19:15

merc are definitely sandbagging 



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Posted 18 July 2014 - 19:42

lewislorenzo, on 18 Jul 2014 - 20:15, said:

merc are definitely sandbagging 

 

Very much so, but the FIA are a bunch of DH.

 

The rules need to be what you can do, not what you cannot.



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Posted 18 July 2014 - 20:26

So, at first glance, that's hogwash. Merc looks to have the same edge on the field.

 

Calm down  :rotfl:

 

I said at first glance, as per timesheets. Will Mercedes still qualify 1-2 and win? Most likely.



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Posted 19 July 2014 - 01:01

Not so sure yet. Merc is not even topping the long runs, and in previous races they were easily ahead on long runs too. So they are either sandbagging or oh-FRIC!!

Going by FP2, Merc still have a handy race pace advantage.

Hate to be condescending, but its clear some people lack understanding in how to read long run times. Here's a few long run starting stints:

Vettel
13 1:22.511
14 1:22.531
15 1:22.292
16 1:22.870
17 1:23.190
18 1:22.803

So we're looking at mid 1:22's but a quick drop off into high 1:22/low 1:23 after just 3 laps.

Ricciardo
11 1:22.653
12 1:22.696
13 1:23.049
14 1:23.130
15 1:23.235
16 1:22.891
17 1:22.891
18 1:22.703
19 1:23.030
20 1:23.851
21 1:24.648
22 1:24.642

Daniel is able to start off similar strong in the mid 1:22's but is in the high 1:22's/low 1:23's after just a couple laps.

Now lets look at Merc:

Rosberg
16 1:22.698
17 1:25.225
18 1:22.652
19 1:22.192
20 1:22.464
21 1:22.398
22 1:22.550
23 1:27.379
24 1:22.359
25 1:23.103
26 1:25.441

Nico is able to hold LOWer 1:22's after *nine* laps.

Its pretty obvious that Merc still hold a sizeable advantage.

Edited by Seanspeed, 19 July 2014 - 01:03.


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Posted 19 July 2014 - 02:58

Going by FP2, Merc still have a handy race pace advantage.

Hate to be condescending, but its clear some people lack understanding in how to read long run times. Here's a few long run starting stints:

Vettel
13 1:22.511
14 1:22.531
15 1:22.292
16 1:22.870
17 1:23.190
18 1:22.803

So we're looking at mid 1:22's but a quick drop off into high 1:22/low 1:23 after just 3 laps.

Ricciardo
11 1:22.653
12 1:22.696
13 1:23.049
14 1:23.130
15 1:23.235
16 1:22.891
17 1:22.891
18 1:22.703
19 1:23.030
20 1:23.851
21 1:24.648
22 1:24.642

Daniel is able to start off similar strong in the mid 1:22's but is in the high 1:22's/low 1:23's after just a couple laps.

Now lets look at Merc:

Rosberg
16 1:22.698
17 1:25.225
18 1:22.652
19 1:22.192
20 1:22.464
21 1:22.398
22 1:22.550
23 1:27.379
24 1:22.359
25 1:23.103
26 1:25.441

Nico is able to hold LOWer 1:22's after *nine* laps.

Its pretty obvious that Merc still hold a sizeable advantage.

 

In my very humble opinion, FRIC has something to do with the advantage Mercedes holds over others, but now i feel a large part of overall advantage is the tyre compounds used this year and how comfortable Mercedes is with them. Massa gave us a heads up, when he mentioned how harder compounds means some teams are just sliding about. A lot of us here mocked one forumer who suggested that it was tyres (which formed a huge chunk of advantage over others), now it seems that one of Mercedes' true strength is how it is able to use this hard compound better than most other teams out there. This includes a team like Williams, which we all know is not a slouch. I wonder if those who mocked and vilified him/ her somewhat will admit that they were somewhat wrong...


Edited by garagetinkerer, 19 July 2014 - 04:24.


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Posted 19 July 2014 - 05:55

Even if Mercedes are still at the front, that doesn't mean that the ban has not had an effect. If the other teams suddenly halve the 2-2.5sec a lap gap on race day, then to my mind that's a huge effect of the ban. Have to wait and see, and also give it a few races.



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Posted 19 July 2014 - 06:04

Even if Mercedes are still at the front, that doesn't mean that the ban has not had an effect. If the other teams suddenly halve the 2-2.5sec a lap gap on race day, then to my mind that's a huge effect of the ban. Have to wait and see, and also give it a few races.

I seriously doubt that the teams will halve the gap which they had to Mercedes. Nobody is arguing that advantage may not have been lost. However, Mercedes still have the PU advantage over non-Mercedes teams. Then there's the matter of most teams struggling with tyres which are harder this year. You may have a very good engine, but if you can't put the power down, where are you going to go? Williams have by and large the same PU(there may be minor differences how integration has been achieved and so on), but their nadir is the tyres as was confirmed by Massa. So far, i don't see Mercedes caught this year. if they're caught, i'll be really surprised. I wonder what Mercedes brass will think of it. Surely some heads will be flushed in toilets for the advantage disappearing so fast.

 

i sincerely wonder if teams will be able to cope with rubber next year any better. if they're not for whatever reasons, it may be another season to Mercedes. May not be as easy as this year, but surely it will play right into their hands.



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Posted 19 July 2014 - 07:17

In my very humble opinion, FRIC has something to do with the advantage Mercedes holds over others, but now i feel a large part of overall advantage is the tyre compounds used this year and how comfortable Mercedes is with them. Massa gave us a heads up, when he mentioned how harder compounds means some teams are just sliding about. A lot of us here mocked one forumer who suggested that it was tyres (which formed a huge chunk of advantage over others), now it seems that one of Mercedes' true strength is how it is able to use this hard compound better than most other teams out there. This includes a team like Williams, which we all know is not a slouch. I wonder if those who mocked and vilified him/ her somewhat will admit that they were somewhat wrong...

You (and that forumer at the time) make it sound as if Mercedes are running different tyres to others.

 

The advantage is in the car, not the tyres.

The advantage is called efficiient downforce and engine power. That they can use the harder tyre with less sliding is a result of that, not the cause. 


Edited by Timstr11, 19 July 2014 - 07:18.


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Posted 19 July 2014 - 07:17

https://uk.eurosport...100350--f1.html

 

"They reached their view about it, I think with the intention of making it illegal for next year - or make everyone realise it should not be on the cars for next year," said Allison.

 

"They chose their timing in a way to be kind to us so everyone would know, everyone would have clarity when designing next year's car about what the layout should be.

"All of us who have known now for a little while that we really shouldn't consider FRIC as part of the 2015 layout - and the fact that they have gone down that path to be kind to us and give us advance notice for 2015 led to the situation we have this weekend.

"We arrived at the weekend with a little bit of uncertainty about how we would all approach it but in the end, once one person broke ranks and said we are not fitting it, then it was fairly clear what was going to happen with the rest of us."



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Posted 19 July 2014 - 08:30

You (and that forumer at the time) make it sound as if Mercedes are running different tyres to others.

 

The advantage is in the car, not the tyres.

The advantage is called efficiient downforce and engine power. That they can use the harder tyre with less sliding is a result of that, not the cause. 

False. I would like you to read the stories on Red Bull being less efficient because of their high downforce levels, which were so great that the tyres cooked because of it. It's the way the car, the suspension, the engine perhaps, etc uses the tyre. F.e. look at Austria qualifying, I believe it was Q2. Mercs 'hard' times were only tenths slower than the rest of the field, when they started to use the soft tyre they didn't make a huge leap in performance unlike the others.



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Posted 19 July 2014 - 09:20

David Croft just said on SkyTv that Mercedes did a back back run with Fric / Non Fric in Silverstone and the difference was .250sec. So it might hurt them a bit but considering that others will lose round about the same then it that loss is balanced out. Although I don't know where David Croft got his figures from



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Posted 19 July 2014 - 09:39

I wanna shove the FRIC in Croft's gob :lol:



#723 Timstr11

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Posted 19 July 2014 - 09:51

False. I would like you to read the stories on Red Bull being less efficient because of their high downforce levels, which were so great that the tyres cooked because of it. It's the way the car, the suspension, the engine perhaps, etc uses the tyre. F.e. look at Austria qualifying, I believe it was Q2. Mercs 'hard' times were only tenths slower than the rest of the field, when they started to use the soft tyre they didn't make a huge leap in performance unlike the others.

 

FALSE. How a car uses its tyres is very much a function of both mechanical/chemical grip AND aerodynamic downforce.

 

Redbull has other problems than downforce and aero efficiency in case you missed it...



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Posted 19 July 2014 - 11:30

We just saw a clip of a Williams with a vibrating front right, on a right hand bend, with no kerb to trigger it (13 mins in to Sky F1 quali). Supposedly they said it was just how their FRIC system worked, when Ant queried it. But... Maybe it is deliberate. Much like ABS will improve braking for a wheel with low grip, maybe a vibrating unloaded tyre gives better cornering grip? I have wondered about this possibility for a few years, but haven't seen any signs of it being exploited before. Maybe the Williams suspension was actively exploiting this sort of feature to vibrate a low grip wheel to improve grip. The reason for it visibly vibrating is the effect was a bit too strong as the car straightened, but tuned just right, it could be a net win (too much vibration would clearly be a loss).



#725 Timstr11

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Posted 19 July 2014 - 12:16

Well done FIA to change rules midseason in such a contrived way.

It's now clear that the W05's handling has been seriously hampered.



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Posted 19 July 2014 - 12:20

We just saw a clip of a Williams with a vibrating front right, on a right hand bend, with no kerb to trigger it (13 mins in to Sky F1 quali). Supposedly they said it was just how their FRIC system worked, when Ant queried it. But... Maybe it is deliberate. Much like ABS will improve braking for a wheel with low grip, maybe a vibrating unloaded tyre gives better cornering grip? I have wondered about this possibility for a few years, but haven't seen any signs of it being exploited before. Maybe the Williams suspension was actively exploiting this sort of feature to vibrate a low grip wheel to improve grip. The reason for it visibly vibrating is the effect was a bit too strong as the car straightened, but tuned just right, it could be a net win (too much vibration would clearly be a loss).

Seriously doubt that. More chance of damaging the tyre and\or suspension.



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Posted 19 July 2014 - 12:46

Hmm, surely the FIA will have some questions to answer after the weekend, With the way the cars now appear to be behaving, its fairly obvious that where the car has been designed around the system, the stability of the car is based on the system being in place. If we have several offs and drivers suffering big shunts during the race, then one of the FIA's main roles of ensuring driver safety will be called into question?



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Posted 19 July 2014 - 12:49

Drivers were coming away from the Silverstone test saying driving without FRIC made little or no difference. I don't see why one driver being unlucky with a brake failure is evidence of a FRIC safety issue.



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Posted 19 July 2014 - 12:51

Going by FP2, Merc still have a handy race pace advantage.

Hate to be condescending, but its clear some people lack understanding in how to read long run times. Here's a few long run starting stints:

Vettel
13 1:22.511
14 1:22.531
15 1:22.292
16 1:22.870
17 1:23.190
18 1:22.803

So we're looking at mid 1:22's but a quick drop off into high 1:22/low 1:23 after just 3 laps.

Ricciardo
11 1:22.653
12 1:22.696
13 1:23.049
14 1:23.130
15 1:23.235
16 1:22.891
17 1:22.891
18 1:22.703
19 1:23.030
20 1:23.851
21 1:24.648
22 1:24.642

Daniel is able to start off similar strong in the mid 1:22's but is in the high 1:22's/low 1:23's after just a couple laps.

Now lets look at Merc:

Rosberg
16 1:22.698
17 1:25.225
18 1:22.652
19 1:22.192
20 1:22.464
21 1:22.398
22 1:22.550
23 1:27.379
24 1:22.359
25 1:23.103
26 1:25.441

Nico is able to hold LOWer 1:22's after *nine* laps.

Its pretty obvious that Merc still hold a sizeable advantage.

 

and you conveniantly left out hamiltons slower times :rotfl:
 



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Posted 19 July 2014 - 13:02

I wasn't actually referencing that, more the general behaviour of the cars in combination with the tyre and the temperatures this weekend - many are not as balanced as before. That could just be the heat this weekend, but as always the FIA are not doing much to endear themselves to the casual fan. Leaving decisions on the rules to the teams being in unanimous agreement has never been a recipe for success, and never will be in the future. All I am saying is that *if* there is a big off tomorrow, questions will be asked - possibly rightly, possibly not...



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Posted 19 July 2014 - 14:01

Whether it would damage the tyres / suspension would depend on getting it right or wrong. As I said, it looks as if they had it tuned badly in the Williams at that point - but done right, it would improve longevity of the tyres - just like ABS is better than flat spotting a tyre. If it was set up right then you would barely see it happening - but the pressure at the contact area would be going up and down, and giving you more overall grip. Another example of where a vibrating contact area increases friction is a wobbly bearing. Lots of factors would affect it, both plus and minus, but maybe the overall result is better, at least on smooth tarmac.



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Posted 19 July 2014 - 18:03

You (and that forumer at the time) make it sound as if Mercedes are running different tyres to others.

 

The advantage is in the car, not the tyres.

The advantage is called efficiient downforce and engine power. That they can use the harder tyre with less sliding is a result of that, not the cause. 

Well, tell that to Felipe Massa, who's privy to a lot more than you and i guess here. This is no guess work.... when Massa says that team is not able to get tyres working easily, you got to remember he's speaking of Williams. This year's car is no slouch and is powered by Mercedes. As far as i remember, other drivers have also hinted at troubles with warming tyres and keeping them in optimum range.

 

You know what happened last year? Tyres were soft in early part of the year and suddenly compounds were changed (trouble was more with construction, which caused disintegration than compounds themselves) mid season and a couple of teams were more competitive than others around them. What changed? Cars, or tyres?

 

FRIC or no FRIC, i fully expect to see Mercedes having an advantage even if Renault's and Ferrari's PU woes are solved overnight and miraculously so. Tyres this year have played right to their strength and what is wrong in suggesting as much?



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Posted 19 July 2014 - 18:12

Whether it would damage the tyres / suspension would depend on getting it right or wrong. As I said, it looks as if they had it tuned badly in the Williams at that point - but done right, it would improve longevity of the tyres - just like ABS is better than flat spotting a tyre. If it was set up right then you would barely see it happening - but the pressure at the contact area would be going up and down, and giving you more overall grip. Another example of where a vibrating contact area increases friction is a wobbly bearing. Lots of factors would affect it, both plus and minus, but maybe the overall result is better, at least on smooth tarmac.

 

Maybe I am blind, but I see no physics reason how the pressure at the contact area going down would be beneficial. Perhaps there is, but all you did to support your theory was to say that it would. I sounds interesing and who knows, non-linear behavior is often surprisingly good, but can you come up with any physical theory?


Edited by KnucklesAgain, 19 July 2014 - 18:12.


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Posted 19 July 2014 - 18:14

and you conveniantly left out hamiltons slower times :rotfl:

Didnt see his times, but unless Nico is driving a different car, there was nothing 'convenient' about it.

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Posted 19 July 2014 - 20:13

Well, tell that to Felipe Massa, who's privy to a lot more than you and i guess here. This is no guess work.... when Massa says that team is not able to get tyres working easily, you got to remember he's speaking of Williams. This year's car is no slouch and is powered by Mercedes. As far as i remember, other drivers have also hinted at troubles with warming tyres and keeping them in optimum range.

You know what happened last year? Tyres were soft in early part of the year and suddenly compounds were changed (trouble was more with construction, which caused disintegration than compounds themselves) mid season and a couple of teams were more competitive than others around them. What changed? Cars, or tyres?

FRIC or no FRIC, i fully expect to see Mercedes having an advantage even if Renault's and Ferrari's PU woes are solved overnight and miraculously so. Tyres this year have played right to their strength and what is wrong in suggesting as much?

My problem with this type of argument is that you're turning things around. The car works the tyre. Not the other way around. As Alonso said today: due to a lack of downforce, there is more wheelspin and thus more tyre deg.

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 04:07

My problem with this type of argument is that you're turning things around. The car works the tyre. Not the other way around. As Alonso said today: due to a lack of downforce, there is more wheelspin and thus more tyre deg.

You think i'm turning things around, but it is not so.

 

Even if you have a certain level of downforce, mechanical grip, which Ferrari in early part of last year seemed to be rather decent at. It managed its tyres better and got tyres to optimum temps easily enough While Mercedes and RBR were hard on tyres, Mercedes was considerably so. Mid-season, not only the construction of tyre changes, but also the compounds. RBR and Mercedes were suddenly doing better. Heck, Mercedes suddenly leapfrogged rest of the teams except RBR and never went backwards after. It is not as plain and simple (downforce, mechanical grip) as you try to put it.



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Posted 20 July 2014 - 13:47

As I expected, the ban of FRIC has made no difference to Mercedes' dominance. Rosberg coasted to a dominant victory with a big gap to Bottas while Hamilton was able to pick off other drivers as easily as a drunk football can cut through a group of kids queuing for chewing gum in at off-licence. 



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Posted 20 July 2014 - 13:57

Well, that changed EVERYTHING didn't it.

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 14:14

Well, that changed EVERYTHING didn't it.

 

 

:rotfl:  :rotfl:   :up:

 

On a short track like hockenheim the fact that the Merc can establish such a gap and still work the field  ... is like taking off FRIC made the other cars slower.

 

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 14:35

after the fric ban and the reports that renault made a hugh step I really saw the end of Merc dominance ....glad it didn't happen  :up:



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Posted 20 July 2014 - 15:45

Looks like RedBull were chewing their tyres disproportionately.



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Posted 20 July 2014 - 15:51

So to sum up after the FRIC ban around a short race track:

 

Mercedes finish 20 seconds in the lead with Nico basically cruising

Redbull chew up their tyres

Mercedes fans are basically all laughing at the FIA or even thanking them

Nico is still Half German Half Finnish Half Man Half Dog

The FIA like to put peoples lives at risk

Bernie is still a midget



#743 jestaudio

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 21:20

Conclusion

Epic fail, egg on whitings face, what next square wheels, carry a extra tonne or so , in short a bull shit exercise that has wasted millions



#744 superden

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 21:40

Success ballast if your car wins and is silver, called a Mercedes and/or driven by a man called Nico or Lewis.

Circuit access bans for any driver called Nico Rosberg or Lewis Hamilton.

Pit lane starts for any team with Niki Lauda involved in a management or advisory capacity.

Sanctions aimed at Mercedes for not playing Charlie Whiting's game.

 

:rotfl:


Edited by superden, 20 July 2014 - 21:49.


#745 jestaudio

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 22:01

Success ballast if your car wins and is silver, called a Mercedes and/or driven by a man called Nico or Lewis.

Circuit access bans for any driver called Nico Rosberg or Lewis Hamilton.

Pit lane starts for any team with Niki Lauda involved in a management or advisory capacity.

Sanctions aimed at Mercedes for not playing Charlie Whiting's game.

 

:rotfl:

Don't give them ideas :eek:



#746 Seanspeed

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 22:27

Conclusion
Epic fail, egg on whitings face, what next square wheels, carry a extra tonne or so , in short a bull shit exercise that has wasted millions

It should probably be considered a success, actually. They get rid of an extra cost for the teams and it changes nothing in terms of the competitiveness.

#747 Obi Offiah

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 22:59

Now let us see what happens around the Hungaroring, which is supposed to be one of the real litmus tests for the FRIC ban.



#748 Newbrray

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 23:09

They can bring on anything from Hugaroring, Nurburgring Redbullring or any other ring. They can ban the Fric for all they want ain't no car going to beat those Mercs on pure pace. 

The funny thing is that it seems it was the Redbull and Ferrari that now seemed to be chewing their tyres.

 

Rosberg just crusied today…..Hamilton started from the back had a broken front wing and still made the podium and lapped some other cars……unbelievable

 

 

Won't be surprised if they start talking about banning something in the Merc turbo next…….


Edited by Newbrray, 20 July 2014 - 23:11.


#749 F1ultimate

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Posted 21 July 2014 - 09:36

Now let us see what happens around the Hungaroring, which is supposed to be one of the real litmus tests for the FRIC ban.

 

......and when Hungary is done an dusted you might say "At Interlagos, FRIC-less Mercedes will be less competitive. Be careful before you start sounding like Christian Horner   ;)

 

I would argue that the Hungaroring offers more opportunities for Mercedes to exploit their power advantage than Hockheim. The W-05 will be an absolute rocket-ship through corner 2, 3 and 4.

 

The FIA just need to accept that the season will be a Lewis & Rosberg saga and that there is nothing they can ban or introduce to shake things up. 



#750 Brackets

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It should probably be considered a success, actually. They get rid of an extra cost for the teams and it changes nothing in terms of the competitiveness.

Yeah, because all that money will now be spent on solving World hunger. I mean really, what does the FIA expect to happen?

I ~am~ of course happy that the competitive order has not been changed at first glance, although one race might be too small a sample for any conclusive, ehr, conclusions.