In Q3 the track got better towards the end and some drivers like got the timing wrong. In Q2 Kimi was the fastest.
As I remember, of the group excluding Hamilton, Webber and Vettel, Kimi was 2nd last to cross the line.
Posted 21 August 2014 - 12:22
In Q3 the track got better towards the end and some drivers like got the timing wrong. In Q2 Kimi was the fastest.
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Posted 21 August 2014 - 12:42
Sorry if it wasn't clear. My point: I've seen the statement "even Chilton could beat Alonso in a perfect car" and its variations many times, and at the same time the same people say that Kimi should be closer to/as fast as Alonso. These two points don't go together well, because either
a) you think that everything Kimi achieved was down to "the stars aligning" (another favourite phrase) and he in fact is just an average driver. If so, how could you expect him to be on Fernando's level consistently?
or
b) you think that a combination of factors are hindering Räikkönen massively this year (and yes, more than they should), but he is a lot better than we are seeing atm and has earned his reputation over the years. In this case (which is also my opinion), you should better stop mixing it with a) and imply that Piquet, Marques or Chilton are just as good as Räikkönen at every possible moment.
Pick your side -> a) or b) and be consistent.
I hope that cleared things up
Ok, now I understand.
The problem is that the argument that Kimi can only perform in perfect conditions, thus equalling him to Chilton, Piquet Jr or Marqies is not my argument, but that of people trying to "defend" Kimi's performance.
My side was picked ages ago and stated many times, and it's probably closer to your point b) except that I don't think it makes any sense unless you include Kimi among those factors. Now, people seem to assume that "including Kimi" equals "Kimi is being beaten because he sucks", whereas actually it means that, for Kimi to underperform like he is doing this year, it is implicit that he can perform better than this (otherwise, it wouldn't be underperforming, right? )
Posted 21 August 2014 - 12:48
The problem isn't your 'model' Alexandros. Its that you greatly over exaggerate the likely 'impact' of certain problems Kimi has and what his ultimate performance potential is.
So for all your super duper expert analytical skills and models, you're always starting off with false or unreasonable assumptions, messing up the entire process and leading to a conclusion that does not look right whatsoever with what most of us observe. And all this is done on purpose. You *rig* the data you put into your model in order to come up with that conclusion, because you don't want to admit that Kimi might legitimately not be as good as Alonso.
And its ridiculously obvious that you do this as well. All your efforts with these long-winded posts is ultimately a waste of time because unless somebody is simply impressed by somebody uses 'smart sounding' language and long paragraphs, you aren't fooling anyone.
One of the big problems of this analysis is how the tires become a problem for Kimi with the intention to mask his qualifying results, which is indicative of raw pace.
Posted 21 August 2014 - 12:49
It's a little bit off the 4000 post limit, but I'm going to close this now and let kosmos open a new thread so he can put his fancy-dan graphics in the opening post.
New thread should be ready shortly, so see you on the other side, folks. Good luck to both drivers this weekend!
edited to add: thread continues here: http://forums.autosp...en-2014-part-v/
Edited by SophieB, 21 August 2014 - 13:04.