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[TheWilliamzer]

So from Austria we seen that the stewards were so strict on corner cutting / track limits causing a number of cars to have their laps dismissed in qualifying.

 

But in Hockenheim there's T16 that have a wide exit out of the track limits, and through the years we seen that drivers run wide to get a good run into the start finish line at the start of a hotlap.

 

So are the stewards gonna dismiss the lap if the driver gets a good drive out of the runoff of T16 because he got an advantage? Or will they keep the time standing as the incident is not part of the hot lap itself?

 

discuss.

[redreni]

Well that would be a breach of Article 20.2 of the Sporting Regulations, specifically the bolded parts.

 

 

Drivers must use the track at all times. For the avoidance of doubt the white lines defining the track edges are considered to be part of the track but the kerbs are not. A driver will be judged to have left the track if no part of the car remains in contact with the track.

Should a car leave the track the driver may re-join, however, this may only be done when it is safe to do so and without gaining any lasting advantage.

At the absolute discretion of the race director a driver may be given the opportunity to give back the whole of any advantage he gained by leaving the track.

A driver may not deliberately leave the track without justifiable reason.

 

 

I don't see why the laptime shouldn't be deleted for a breach of Article 20.2. It's not just the lap you go off, it's also the lap on which you get an advantage from the way you rejoined, that falls under Article 20.2.

 

There's a precedent for this - in qualy for the 2000 German GP at proper Hockenheim, Heinz-Harald Frentzen was about fourth or fifth out of the pits at the start of the session. It had just started to rain, so everyone was desperate to be first to get around and start their laps, and Frentzen overtook the guys ahead of him by cutting the chicanes on his out-lap. The stewards deleted his fastest laptime. He started 17th.

Edited by redreni, 18 July 2014 - 20:30.

[ApexMouse]

Ask Glock how much laptime there is out there.

[TurboF1]

To be fair though iirc his suspension broke because they used the same pieces one time too many which was why it let go. That was a nasty crash. I think it's an acceptable area to run wide and still keep your lap time, pretty much like the exit of the quick left right turns at monza on the runup to parabolica...

[turssi]

What if you do two hot laps in a go but go wide just on the first one.

[balmybaldwin]

Iirc when the first started enforcing this better, the "guidance" in Austria stated if a car ran wide in the last corner, and the following lap was the cars fastest, it would be deleted. I expect the same here.

[Jejking]

Ask Glock how much laptime there is out there.

Depends on how much your car can handle eh.

[Seanspeed]

This should be one of those occasions where the drivers should be allowed to do go a bit wide. Everybody does it and always have.

[redreni]

[snip]

 

I think it's an acceptable area to run wide and still keep your lap time, pretty much like the exit of the quick left right turns at monza on the runup to parabolica...

 

 

This should be one of those occasions where the drivers should be allowed to do go a bit wide. Everybody does it and always have.

 

Why?

 

It's much quicker to use the runoff at Ascari at Monza than to stay on the track. And if they're all running wide at turn 16 at Hockenheim, it's reasonable to assume that it's also advantageous to exceed the track limits there. If it's felt that there's no harm in the drivers taking the line that they do, why not move the white line back so that the quickest line becomes legal, and homologate the track on that basis? Because as long as the white line stays where it is, the rules on leaving the track, rejoining and gaining an advantage are clear. What's wrong with keeping to the rules?

 

And if a decision is made to let it go just at this particular corner, are the drivers meant to guess whether they're going to be allowed to go off there without penalty, or is Whiting going to tell them? And what about corners where Whitingh hasn't specifically said whether he's going to suspend the regulations or not - should the drivers assume by default that the regulations won't be applied unless Whiting specifically warns them beforehand? That seems to be the system in practice, as far as one can make out, and if so, why can't the FIA change the Sporting Regulations to say that you only have to stick to the track limits if Whiting specifically says so in the drivers' briefing?
 

Edited by redreni, 19 July 2014 - 09:04.

[rodlamas]

FIA created the monster. 15 years ago they started building tracks with asphalt on the run-off. If there was grass or sand, none of this would be needed.

 

Now instead of going for 30,000 more people per day on a circuit, they care if one driver has gone 58 or 85mm over the line.