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#501 OO7

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Posted 01 November 2015 - 21:39

Well, we've now had the race so this moment is perfect to pass judgement.  I must say the circuit is terrible for racing, all the issues I suspected may happen did.  The T1-3 complex ruins racing, as it gives a defensive car time to recover and re-position for the second straight (a la Abu Dhabi chicane section between the two straights).  The stadium section has one too many corners and tends to stretch the gap between cars out.


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#502 Nonesuch

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Posted 01 November 2015 - 23:10

I'm very disappointed by how this turned out.

 

The first six or so corners are dreadfully boring, harmful to racing (compare to Istanbul or Hockenheim) and the stadium section is unworthy of cars that just a handful of weeks ago were blasting through fantastic corners like Spoon and Pouhon.

 

On the plus side, it was nice to see a proper enthusiastic crowd at a 'new' race for once.



#503 OO7

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Posted 02 November 2015 - 01:54

DRS was pretty ineffective also.



#504 AustinF1

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Posted 03 December 2015 - 15:45

Mexican Grand Prix named Formula 1's "Best Event of the Year" | Fox News Latino

 

http://fxn.ws/1LP02yL



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Posted 03 December 2015 - 15:47

In what way?

 

People? Yes

Race? Not so much... the stadium section looks so akward to drive.



#506 AustinF1

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Posted 03 December 2015 - 15:55

In what way?

 

People? Yes

Race? Not so much... the stadium section looks so akward to drive.

It's a promoter's award. It's not about how the race played out on the track. As far as how the race was promoted and run, I can't think of another one that comes close this year.



#507 Jon83

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Posted 03 December 2015 - 15:58

It was a tremendous spectacle and I think the Mexicans deserve enormous credit for the passion they showed for the sport. The podium was one of the best I have ever seen (apart from the hats)



#508 Anja

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Posted 03 December 2015 - 16:46

Mind the "event" bit. Not race, but event.



#509 Marklar

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Posted 04 December 2015 - 22:30

The organisers of the Mexican GP have won the best promoter trophy at the FIA prize giving gala. Congratulations and well deserved :up:



#510 Kristian

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Posted 05 December 2015 - 07:07

Well deserved for Mexico, although new races always seem to win this award



#511 BRG

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Posted 05 December 2015 - 17:42

So it looks good for Baku in 2016 then!



#512 AustinF1

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Posted 07 December 2015 - 18:36

Well deserved for Mexico, although new races always seem to win this award

Yep. The only one I know of that didn't win it in their first season was Austin/COTA.



#513 Marklar

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Posted 07 December 2015 - 18:37

Even Korea 2010 got it. KOREA!!!



#514 AustinF1

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Posted 23 March 2016 - 05:56

Mexican GP organisers consider crowd capacity increase for 2016, 80% of tickets sold already...

 

http://www.motorspor...or-2016-681688/


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#515 AustinF1

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Posted 02 December 2016 - 10:36

Congrats to these guys...doing a great job in Mexico City.

 

Mexican GP wins F1 "Promoter's Award" for 2nd Consecutive Year...


#516 Marklar

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Posted 02 December 2016 - 10:37

Poor Baku

#517 Kristian

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Posted 02 December 2016 - 11:51

Poor Baku

 

The trend is broken!



#518 AustinF1

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Posted 02 December 2016 - 12:14

You mean the streak of winners being GPs at new tracks? That was broken in 2012 when COTA lost out to India.



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Posted 02 December 2016 - 12:37

You mean the streak of winners being GPs at new tracks? That was broken in 2012 when COTA lost out to India.

 

Oh was it? How on Earth did India win that?! 



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Posted 02 December 2016 - 12:59

Oh was it? How on Earth did India win that?!


Presumably the tiebreak is broken by whoever paid more.

Edited by Fastcake, 02 December 2016 - 13:00.


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Posted 02 December 2016 - 13:49

Presumably the tiebreak is broken by whoever paid more.

 

The sad thing is, its probably true.

 

But India was struck off because of the tax headaches it caused the teams - I'm not sure that's something to award a race organisation trophy for... 



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Posted 28 June 2017 - 22:34

Mexican GP F1ESTA week adds Paul McCartney concert as a separate event at Azteca Stadium...
 
 

 

Formula 1 has enjoyed a successful return to Mexico City with its 2015 and 2016 races winning awards for best promotion. Race organizers CIE confirmed they have been working "tirelessly to continue to raise the bar and produce another world class event for 2017. Adding one of the world's most recognisable performers and composers to the weekend schedule is another way of encouraging visitors and fans to go far beyond the race and explore everything Mexico City has to offer."

As the concert will not be held within the track premises and is additional entertainment to that of the race, tickets will be sold separately. Prices start at just $24 and will be available starting July 6th (11:00 a.m. Mexico City time).

 


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Posted 29 June 2017 - 13:47

Mexican GP F1ESTA week adds Paul McCartney concert as a separate event at Azteca Stadium...

https://www.racer.co...ring-mexican-gp

Sir McCartney at a way better venue for a concert than Foro Sol!

Good bye, F1!

Edited by coppilcus, 29 June 2017 - 13:47.


#524 AustinF1

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Posted 29 June 2017 - 15:48

Sir McCartney at a way better venue for a concert than Foro Sol!

Good bye, F1!

Why not do both?



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Posted 29 June 2017 - 16:51

Why not do both?

 

Money and time/madness in Mexico City!

 

Add $100 usd to your regular F1 money and you have to get ready for a 1:30/2:00 hours of travel time to the opposite side of the city right after qualifying, depending on how quick you can get out of the track, in a very busy Satuday in the city with so many events; then eat and get ready for the concert.

 

It's a tight schedule!



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Posted 29 June 2017 - 17:09

Money and time/madness in Mexico City!

 

Add $100 usd to your regular F1 money and you have to get ready for a 1:30/2:00 hours of travel time to the opposite side of the city right after qualifying, depending on how quick you can get out of the track, in a very busy Satuday in the city with so many events; then eat and get ready for the concert.

 

It's a tight schedule!

Qualifying is over at 2. The concert is in the evening. Iirc tickets start at $24.  Shouldn't be a problem, really, and probably better than hanging around an empty track for 5 hours waiting for the concert. From what I've seen, very few will do that.



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Posted 29 June 2017 - 17:58

Qualifying is over at 2. The concert is in the evening. Iirc tickets start at $24. Shouldn't be a problem, really, and probably better than hanging around an empty track for 5 hours waiting for the concert. From what I've seen, very few will do that.


It ends more like 2:30, plus the time it takes to leave the venue, so it is more like 3:00. So don't believe that 4 hours is plenty of time in a city with such a chaotic transportation 'system' (... there is not such thing as a system), specially when 110,000 individuals are concentrated in one point and other 70,000 going to the stadium, it exacerbates the issues quite a bit. When two football matches coincide at the same day, it's almost a certainty to bet on a 'madness' traffic day in the city...

I would not want to see a concert from so far away in the Aztec Stadium, watching football from that high and far away is a bit dull. Watching Paul from one goal end line to the other it's kind of pointless, if you like only atmospheres, it could be fine.

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Posted 04 July 2017 - 09:29

https://www.motorspo...nge-925216/?s=1

 

They're in the right direction...

 

The embodiment of the racing background of Mexico is definitely a better route than putting a boxing ring in the paddock.

 

But still the core of the event is letting us down: the race track!

 

Something should be done to let the cars follow each other with enough pace to challenge each other at the end of the second straight, right before the first 'stadium'.



#529 AustinF1

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Posted 04 July 2017 - 16:45

It ends more like 2:30, plus the time it takes to leave the venue, so it is more like 3:00. So don't believe that 4 hours is plenty of time in a city with such a chaotic transportation 'system' (... there is not such thing as a system), specially when 110,000 individuals are concentrated in one point and other 70,000 going to the stadium, it exacerbates the issues quite a bit. When two football matches coincide at the same day, it's almost a certainty to bet on a 'madness' traffic day in the city...

I would not want to see a concert from so far away in the Aztec Stadium, watching football from that high and far away is a bit dull. Watching Paul from one goal end line to the other it's kind of pointless, if you like only atmospheres, it could be fine.

Qualifying ends at 2 or maybe a couple minutes after. That leaves 5 or 6 hours to get to a 7 or 8 pm concert. MXC transportation is certainly no picnic, but imho you're vastly overestimating the magnitude of the problem. People I've talked to who live in or visit MXC frequently tell me time won't be an issue and there will be more than ample time to travel to Azteca and have dinner somewhere in between. 

 

https://www.motorspo...nge-925216/?s=1

 

They're in the right direction...

 

Yeah I thought that was pretty cool. 



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Posted 05 July 2017 - 08:43

Qualifying ends at 2 or maybe a couple minutes after. That leaves 5 or 6 hours to get to a 7 or 8 pm concert. MXC transportation is certainly no picnic, but imho you're vastly overestimating the magnitude of the problem. People I've talked to who live in or visit MXC frequently tell me time won't be an issue and there will be more than ample time to travel to Azteca and have dinner somewhere in between. 

 

Yeah I thought that was pretty cool. 

Should be plenty. Can't stress enough the importance of public transit to avoid the Saturday traffic (which gets really rough) and the lack of parking in Azteca. Take the blue line south bound all the way to the end, and then light rail, leaves you right at the stadium. Less than an hour from the posh neighborhoods where most people will be staying.



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Posted 23 September 2018 - 09:54

These guys just keep doing great work ...

 

Mexican GP promoter expects another sold-out race https://www.racefans...-sold-out-race/

 

 

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Last year’s race attracted an official race weekend crowd of 337,043. Rodrigo Sanchez, the director of marketing and public relations for the race, told RaceFans in an exclusive interview they expect to see similar attendance this year.

 
I think we’ll be actually quite similar, between 135-136,000 for the Sunday,” he said. “For the weekend around 340,000. That’s capacity.
“We’re really close to a sell-out. We’re launching our last-minute ticket campaign mid-September, there’s probably around 10 percent of the inventory left so we’re rally counting on having a full house again.”
 
Mexico returned to the F1 calendar in 2015 following a 23-year absence, and the event has been consistently well attended. Sanchez confirmed they will consider options for extending the deal following this year’s race.
 
“This will be the fourth race and then we have one more,” he said. “I think when the natural moment comes the conversations will come.
 
“Our priority’s really executing the event and finishing the current commitment we have of a five-year race. I think we’ve done quite exceptionally on the results from an economic impact development.”
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Posted 08 December 2018 - 22:20

Mexico wins fourth-straight Best Promoter award at FIA Prize Giving.

 

Pretty amazing. 4 out of 4 for this promoter and the circuit's 5th overall. No other circuit has done it more than twice iirc.

 

 

https://www.formula1...ESIkuKsmI8.html



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Posted 11 December 2018 - 14:47

According to Portuguese Autosport, the new Mexican government is not supporting the grand prix. Apparently the government dos not want to spend the taxpayers money in the GP when a big part of the Mexican population is living in poverty. Ana Gabriela Guevara, from the Mexican National Sport Commission, also claims that a lot of bribery and corruption occurred in order to bring the GP back.



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Posted 11 December 2018 - 14:47

I would love to hear the opinions of the attendees to the French GP and what they think of the promoters of the race, just as a quick comparison to the winners for the fourth consecutive year..

The modified layout of the Hermanos Rodríguez is a bloody mess, they should consider a few modifications aimed at improving the sporting spectacle and not take the fans for granted, but I would not bet on that one. We’re not particularly fund to any kind of exigency and that explains a lot of our perennial problems as a society: whatever the quality of the service is, we’ll gladly pay four times above the market value for it.

Now, sometimes we can excel, as showed by the promoters of the race, and amongst top competitors: France (disastrous GP), Germany, USA, etc...

Edited by coppilcus, 11 December 2018 - 14:50.


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Posted 01 February 2019 - 17:05

Well, it was nice while it lasted. RIP Mexico GP for the third time.

 

The Mexico City mayor announced today that there is no budget being contemplated for a new contract, so 2019 would be the last year. All the money will go to a new touristic train to connect the whole Yucatan peninsula. It was obvious this was going to happen, since the deal was done by the previous government and these guys' top priority is to undo anything that remotely looks like the previous administration.

 

One would hope that the promoters could gather the fee from private parties instead of relying on public funds, but I doubt Liberty will wait for them. There are plenty of governments ready to spend tax money on F1, like Vietnam and Argentina.

 

Source in Spanish: https://www.animalpo...esto-tren-maya/



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Posted 01 February 2019 - 17:24

There are plenty of governments ready to spend tax money on F1, like Vietnam and Argentina.

Are there, though?  I suspect the supply - supposedly so plentiful in Bernie's day - may have largely dried up.  A pity that Mexico needed to rely on tax money; it is one of the places where people actually seem to be consistently enthusiastic about the sport.  Maybe Carlos Slim could open his piggy bank?



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Posted 01 February 2019 - 17:34

From the point of view of the evident enthusiasm of the crowd, it'll be a pity, but I can't say there have been many examples of fantastic on-track action, with the exception of Hamilton at T1 in 2017. 



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Posted 01 February 2019 - 17:38

From the point of view of the evident enthusiasm of the crowd, it'll be a pity, but I can't say there have been many examples of fantastic on-track action, with the exception of Hamilton at T1 in 2017.


Guess you missed the second half of the 2016 race and almost the entirety of last years race!

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 17:53

Guess you missed the second half of the 2016 race and almost the entirety of last years race!

Didn't make myself clear - apologies - I was referring to specific iconic moments rather than just reasonable-quality racing.  It seemed to me thant the first half of the track was (thanks to being similar to how it used to be) fine for overtaking, but the rest of the modifications were awful, even though the stadium section was probably worth modifying to produce that fantastic amphitheatre effect.



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Posted 01 February 2019 - 21:45

Hello Indycar in Mexico. !!!!

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Posted 02 February 2019 - 10:14

Well, it was nice while it lasted. RIP Mexico GP for the third time.

 

...

 

One would hope that the promoters could gather the fee from private parties instead of relying on public funds, but I doubt Liberty will wait for them. There are plenty of governments ready to spend tax money on F1, like Vietnam and Argentina.

 

Source in Spanish: https://www.animalpo...esto-tren-maya/

 

They aren't dead yet. Still negotiating with LM. If any GP can make it without government assistance, this might be one, given the huge crowds they consistently pull. Not many go without government assistance these days though, so we'll see. F1 at COTA, for example, is utterly dependent on those large government payments (as are the MotoGP and IndyCar races there).

 

Are there, though?  I suspect the supply - supposedly so plentiful in Bernie's day - may have largely dried up.  A pity that Mexico needed to rely on tax money; it is one of the places where people actually seem to be consistently enthusiastic about the sport.  Maybe Carlos Slim could open his piggy bank?

 

IIRC most GPs rely on government assistance.


Edited by AustinF1, 04 February 2019 - 20:27.


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Posted 03 February 2019 - 12:02

According to Portuguese Autosport, the new Mexican government is not supporting the grand prix. Apparently the government dos not want to spend the taxpayers money in the GP when a big part of the Mexican population is living in poverty. Ana Gabriela Guevara, from the Mexican National Sport Commission, also claims that a lot of bribery and corruption occurred in order to bring the GP back.

Let's hope it's true. I love F1 but Mexico has much higher priorities. Let's hope that the new government will honestly fight crime and Bring order to Mexico. Cutting off the F1 GP is a step in good direction.

Edited by boillot, 03 February 2019 - 12:02.


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Posted 04 February 2019 - 06:31

Guess you missed the second half of the 2016 race and almost the entirety of last years race!


Aside from Verstappen winning wasn't last years " race" a total bore??

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Posted 20 February 2019 - 23:14

Austin under fire from the gubment now, too ...

 

Error to cost COTA at least $20 million in state funding http://statesman.com...n-state-funding



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Posted 20 February 2019 - 23:31

Wrong thread Austin?



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Posted 21 February 2019 - 01:49

Hello Indycar in Mexico. !!!!

Jp

Or a IMSA date. Will be great to see real endurance race here...



#547 AustinF1

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Posted 21 February 2019 - 03:41

Wrong thread Austin?

I didn't think so since now it looks like Austin's race might be facing a similar existential threat. Seems to be getting more and more common...



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Posted 21 February 2019 - 15:42

I would really find it sad to see the Mexican GP leave already: it's one of the best attended races with great atmosphere, we've seen good racing there as well, it's a place with a lot of history there for Formula 1.... really sad. As a fan I personally love that place, the memories of Patrese, Berger, Senna slipstreaming there are still vivid in my memory, only for that reason I hate to see it go.
The old track was nicer though with the Peraltada corner although it must be emphasised that they did a fine job with the unique stadium section to accomodate local fans.

 

On top of that they have an excellent driver with Sergio Perez.

But on the other hand one should ask why a Grand Prix that is succesful (stands completely sold out, high attendance) has to rely on public funding to survive, a high attendance race should be profitable on it's own.
Formula One charges far too much money to organizers (well at least Ecclestone did). Look at the financial difficulties for the German GP and now it seems also the US GP in Austin (public funding will also be cut there). Lots of organizers have had and have still difficulties to fund an F1 race and most depend on tax payers money. Look at what happened to the races in India (really nice track) and South Korea (decent track but in the middle of nowhere). Malaysia also withdrew because keeping Moto GP was a far better deal for them as continuing to poor money in the F1 race.

And in countries like Mexico or the US it's much wiser to use public funds for schools or health care to be honest, as much as I'm an autosport fan public tax money should not be payed to F1 teams or the FIA imho. One could argue that there is a return for local businesses and there most certainly is a good return for local economy, idem for tourism but even then the funds  required are simply too high to justify it...

 

With the Netherlands now really keen on getting an F1 race they should also consider how much it's going to cost the tax payers.
 


Edited by William Hunt, 21 February 2019 - 15:48.