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[Tstag]

Assuming Rosberg and Hamilton finish first and second would a fairer way to settle the WC be to ignore the result of any race where one of the cars was unable to finish due to mechanical failure? Not saying it would change the results but would at least discourage any thoughts that Mercedes are trying to rig the results.....

After all the WDC is meant to be about the drivers not the cars

[Jon83]

Nope, it is fine as it is. 

[1Devil1]

Assuming Rosberg and Hamilton finish first and second would a fairer way to settle the WC be to ignore the result of any race where one of the cars was unable to finish due to mechanical failure? Not saying it would change the results but would at least discourage any thoughts that Mercedes are trying to rig the results.....

After all the WDC is meant to be about the drivers not the cars

 

And who judges if it was real mechanical failure and not a fake one to hide your bad performance? How does this work with drivers involved from other teams. Lewis DNF, Vettel is not getting any points, Alonso and Ricciardo too. Do you people start thinking about your 'super ideas' before posting it? 

[ClubmanGT]

Max Chilton WDC 2013

[boldhakka]

After all the WDC is meant to be about the drivers not the cars

 

It's the driver's job to get into the right team which can field two fast cars at the same time. Until then they have to keep competing. 

[dweller23]

There used to be the rule about counting 11 best results out of all races. I don't think that the reliability is that bad to reintroduce such rule, after all, it seems that the best driver is currently leading the championship, so why fix something that isn't broken?

[ollebompa]

Why do we have all theese topics all of a sudden? Plenty of drivers have been disadvatiged in the WDC by reliabilty. It's the way it is.

[Risil]

[redreni]

Assuming Rosberg and Hamilton finish first and second would a fairer way to settle the WC be to ignore the result of any race where one of the cars was unable to finish due to mechanical failure? Not saying it would change the results but would at least discourage any thoughts that Mercedes are trying to rig the results.....

After all the WDC is meant to be about the drivers not the cars

 

Says who? Of course it's about the cars, that's why Vettel, Ricciardo, Alonso, Bottas and several other top drivers have no chance of winning it this year.

 

And anyone who persists in thinking that Mercedes would hire a driver and then intentionally try to stop him winning the title is deluded to the point where no rules set would placate them. It defies sense. There's no motive. They simply don't care which of their drivers wins, as long as one of them does. The driver suffering most of the failures is, by most reasonable estimates, the higher earner of the two, indicating that he wasn't brought in to be a number two. And even if there was a plan to prevent him from winning the title by making his car break down, surely it would have made more sense for Mercedes to wait until a bit later in the season before tossing races, because at the moment they're still in a position where a significant run of (accidental) poor reliability, including in the final round, could cost them one or both championships, so you'd think it would make sense to wait and see if there would be an accidental failures first before chucking in a deliberate one. Not to mention the fact that if you wanted to sabbotage your car in order to make it stop, you'd do something with the software that would stop it from selecting gears and make it stop. You wouldn't deliberately induce a fuel leak and set the thing on fire, unless you really hated the driver on an extreme, criminal level. And you'd do it on Sunday, not Saturday.

Edited by redreni, 27 July 2014 - 10:14.

[Kenstate]

I remember the senna prost days when they only counted the best 11 results to account for this. And senna won the 88 championship even though he had less total points than prost because of dnfs, but won the championship on the back of his 8 victories vs prost's 7.

can't really say it's unfair because Lewis hasn't beaten rosberg head to head since, spain?

Btw, very seldom are you going to have a true WDC because car performance is always going to be tied to the driver. Even if they drive for the same team, setups are different, engineers are different, strategies are different.

[LuckyStrike1]

I think you should drive all the races and then have a global poll to vote who should be the WDC. It can be organized through all national car sport federations connected to the FIA and FIA oversees all national voting.

The results can be unveiled at the FIA gala with all districts casting their results. Broadcasted live by all TV channels with F1 rights but of course not streamed on internet.

The gala should be held in Azerbadjan.

[LuckyStrike1]

I think you should drive all the races and then have a global poll to vote who should be the WDC. It can be organized through all national car sport federations connected to the FIA and FIA oversees all national voting.

The results can be unveiled at the FIA gala with all districts casting their results. Broadcasted live by all TV channels with F1 rights but of course not streamed on internet.

The gala should be held in Azerbadjan.

[paipa]

Mouth watering topic for all those guys who think all Hamilton fans are idiots.

 

However, I would personally love a pre-1990 system, with let's say best fifteen results, accounting for more races and improved reliability. Last time I desperately wanted this was in 2005 (not that Raikkonen would have won anyway, but still).

[brr]

Massa had an engine failure in the first race of 2008, so lets discard the results.

[spacekid]

Has F1 stopped being a team sport? I've said it before - F1 does not exist for the personal glory of the drivers. They are an important part of the team, but Mercedes have NOT spent hundreds of millions of dollars so Lewis Hamilton can win a championship. They spend the money for Mercedes cars to win championships, and hire the best drivers they can as part of that team effort. We get the WDC hyped for marketing purposes, but F1 has always been car-centric, for better or worse for the drivers.

Why all these threads now that Lewis has had some car problems? F1 cars have always been fragile prototypes. Lewis has had the rough end of the stick and it must be gutting for him, but I don't understand all the hysteria. Saucers reliability has been pretty decent, would he be better off there? I don't think so.

[midgrid]

Round 1: all drivers in contention for the championship. Hamilton wins, Rosberg second. Bianchi, Sutil and Massa retire. Results void.

Round 2: all drivers in contention for the championship. Rosberg wins, Hamilton second. Ericsson, Maldonado and Vettel retire. Results void.

Repeat.

???

[1Devil1]

Round 1: all drivers in contention for the championship. Hamilton wins, Rosberg second. Bianchi, Sutil and Massa retire. Results void.

Round 2: all drivers in contention for the championship. Rosberg wins, Hamilton second. Ericsson, Maldonado and Vettel retire. Results void.

Repeat.

???

 

Haha said the same above where is the logic behind this 

[Radion]

Why do we have all theese topics all of a sudden? Plenty of drivers have been disadvatiged in the WDC by reliabilty. It's the way it is.

Ham has the biggest fanbase.

Edited by Radion, 27 July 2014 - 10:49.

[Anderis]

Saucers reliability has been pretty decent, would he be better off there? I don't think so.

You mean

or

?

[payinkind]

IMO, they should go back to choosing only your best [x] races, like they did in the 80s. 

 

Say 20 GPs, they take your best 14 results 18 GPs, 12 results, and so on.

[Sheepmachine]

It's just the way the cookie crumbles. Some drivers have a run of bad luck or poor reliability and lose the championship because of it. It's the way it has always been since the beginning. If Rosberg wins the championship he will have deserved it just as much as Lewis.

[NoSanityClause]

My proposal: make a single thread for all these brilliant ideas. It could be called  "<insert favorite driver's name here> is da best, how can we tweak the rules just for this once to make him win?"

 

Please submit all your brilliant ideas to the following:

 

Mr.Flavio Briatore

Some yatch filled with money and top models

Mediterranean sea, Planet Earth

[scheivlak]

Ham has the biggest fanbase.

Maybe, but it's certainly the loudest 

[JHSingo]

Shock: reliability plays part in championship! Hold the front page!

 

This is motor racing, these things happen. It's a sport where you can do everything right, and still not win, through no fault of your own. But that's what makes it unique.

[7MGTEsup]

Why not just give the title to Hamilton just because? At least it would stop all the stupidity. The system is the same for everyone so it seems pretty fair.

[Wlleiotl]

the crazy thing about all this is its only qualifying, i wouldnt be surprised to see rosberg retire, hamilton finish 3rd and hamilton fans to crow about justice for the entire summer break

[mirfield]

It would make for a much better championship if there were no points and a German octopus chose the WDC.

The WCC would be settled with a round robin of rock, paper, scissors.

[HeadFirst]

Assuming Rosberg and Hamilton finish first and second would a fairer way to settle the WC be to ignore the result of any race where one of the cars was unable to finish due to mechanical failure? Not saying it would change the results but would at least discourage any thoughts that Mercedes are trying to rig the results.....

After all the WDC is meant to be about the drivers not the cars

 

Who cares what the looney-tunes think? The idea that Mercedes would sabotage the efforts of one driver, is non-sense. A fairer way to settle the WDC would be to get rid of the double points BS.

[Andrew Hope]

I could've sworn the car was a big part of car racing...

[masa90]

Assuming Rosberg and Hamilton finish first and second would a fairer way to settle the WC be to ignore the result of any race where one of the cars was unable to finish due to mechanical failure? Not saying it would change the results but would at least discourage any thoughts that Mercedes are trying to rig the results.....

After all the WDC is meant to be about the drivers not the cars

 

No, if such race was on hand, there would be possibility to retire if losing badly to teammate in a season as dominant as merc 2014.