Hamilton asks for €90 million.
#1
Posted 28 July 2014 - 18:24
Am I the only one to find this absolutely disgusting ? As well as very likely to either drive the board of Daimler to cancel the F1 operation, or to persuade Mercedes management to drop Hamilton. How can he believe that his personal contribution to Mercedes can be worth so much ? I dare say that a number of drivers would win if they were given the opportunity to drive the Mercedes.
Apart from anything else, Mercedes already have the 2014 world champion, or runner-up, in their team. And he is German. And rather less given to childish petulance.
If I were Messrs Wolff/Lauda, I would drop Hamilton and partner Rosberg with somebody who costs rather less and is as fast. The names Hulkenberg and Bottas spring to mind.
#3
Posted 28 July 2014 - 18:26
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#4
Posted 28 July 2014 - 18:29
The tone of your post reeks of flame bait. If a driver thinks he adds value to a team in more ways than just driving, he has a right to leverage that for what he believes is the right fee. Was it not noted recently that Hamilton is the most marketable commodity in F1 at the moment?
#5
Posted 28 July 2014 - 18:30
http://www.motorspor...ur-90m-contract
The 90 million Euro man? Lewis Hamilton is angling for a pay-rise at Mercedes, the major German newspaper Bild-Zeitung reports.
One source, several repetitions.
#6
Posted 28 July 2014 - 18:33
#7
Posted 28 July 2014 - 18:33
Isn't he on £20m a year now, which is about 25m euro? So he's going from 25 to 30? I mean, not the biggest jump in the world...
#8
Posted 28 July 2014 - 18:33
The tone of your post reeks of flame bait. If a driver thinks he adds value to a team in more ways than just driving, he has a right to leverage that for what he believes is the right fee. Was it not noted recently that Hamilton is the most marketable commodity in F1 at the moment?
I don't think this argument has any credence whatsoever, so i wouldn't even go there if I were you.
As for the OP. I agree it's pure flame bait.
#9
Posted 28 July 2014 - 18:34
One point:
It is clear that Hamilton is making Rosberg faster, by Rosberg leeching data from Hamilton. It's clear that he is worth a lot more than Rosberg.
#10
Posted 28 July 2014 - 18:34
Hamilton's team is just negotiating to make himself the highest paid driver in F1 ; slightly over what Alonso is earning. That's surprising to anyone?
#11
Posted 28 July 2014 - 18:34
You don't know if you don't ask. If they're willing to pay him that why not take it.
The 'too much' attitude puzzles me in sport in general. If anyone here was offered a big pay rise at their job they wouldn't turn it down.
#12
Posted 28 July 2014 - 18:35
How can he believe that his personal contribution to Mercedes can be worth so much ?
How can you believe that it isn't?
#13
Posted 28 July 2014 - 18:36
Since when is GMM a credible source?
#14
Posted 28 July 2014 - 18:36
He hasn't changed his management, they are notorious, surely this kind of thing is expected...
#15
Posted 28 July 2014 - 18:37
Since when is GMM a credible source?
Bild is the source
#16
Posted 28 July 2014 - 18:38
#17
Posted 28 July 2014 - 18:39
Nothing wrong with asking. Perhaps he is just asking for a high figure in the hope that they'll either accept or meet him in the middle? It's also the perfect time to ask for this because he has just had two races where he was handicapped, thus the team are at a point where they feel most sympathetic.
I don't think he will get this pay rise though. Why pay so much for Lewis when Nico looks like he can get the job done this year? I bet they'd rather sign one of the other top drivers so they don't have to receive all this FB abuse and bad PR from Hammy fans.
#18
Posted 28 July 2014 - 18:39
I don't get why it hurts to ask. They can say no, but if they say yes, it was worth asking.
Hopefully it means some of the money allotted to car development is redirected to pay Hamilton's salary - then other teams will have the opportunity to catch up.
#19
Posted 28 July 2014 - 18:39
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#20
Posted 28 July 2014 - 18:39
You don't know if you don't ask. If they're willing to pay him that why not take it.
The 'too much' attitude puzzles me in sport in general. If anyone here was offered a big pay rise at their job they wouldn't turn it down.
This.
(Good Boy)
#21
Posted 28 July 2014 - 18:43
Let's get to the bottom of this Mohican, Did Lewis dump you in Croydon?
Edited by PAGATRON, 28 July 2014 - 18:43.
#22
Posted 28 July 2014 - 18:43
This is all BS.
Just like the Vettel to Mercedes rumour.
It's people who have an interest in Hamilton being replaced who are bringing these stories out. I'm out of here.
#23
Posted 28 July 2014 - 18:45
I guess he;s entitled to ask, given he's probably the fastest driver in F1 now and that's probably still less than Schumacher in his heyday.
But the difference is that there are a lot of very very good drivers who could be a lot cheaper for Mercedes (e.g. Bottas).
As a caveat though, although I am supporting Nico to win the title this year, I think in a car that isn't so good Hamilton would be more likely to drag it to wins than he could. So that's where his value would come in.
Edited by Kristian, 28 July 2014 - 18:46.
#24
Posted 28 July 2014 - 18:46
Isn't he on £20m a year now, which is about 25m euro? So he's going from 25 to 30? I mean, not the biggest jump in the world...
20%? As a civil servant who's had payrises totalling a compound rate of 2.5% over four years, it seems a bit steep, to be honest. I know market forces apply, but overall, I'd argue that since Mercedes signed him, he has failed to put the distance between himself and Rosberg that the difference in their relative reported earnings would suggest that he should. And the circumstances have changed in a way that gives Mercedes the whip hand in the negotiation, surely, since when they signed him a lot of people thought he was mad to leave Mclaren to move further down the grid, and there wasn't a queue of world champions wanting to go there.
#26
Posted 28 July 2014 - 18:54
Would drop Hamilton immediately for either Hulkenberg and Bottas (both of whom are at least as fast, much cheaper and much lower maintenance) and save a bundle in the process. Would also get rid of all conspiracy theories and throwing toys out of the pram.
As for Hamilton being the most marketable...get real. We are not all rapper wannabes.
#27
Posted 28 July 2014 - 18:57
Would drop Hamilton immediately for either Hulkenberg and Bottas (both of whom are at least as fast, much cheaper and much lower maintenance) and save a bundle in the process.
And to support your argument, that approach is working well at McLaren.
#28
Posted 28 July 2014 - 18:58
Yes, I know that this is a British forum and expected this reaction; but stand by my assertion.
Would drop Hamilton immediately for either Hulkenberg and Bottas (both of whom are at least as fast, much cheaper and much lower maintenance) and save a bundle in the process. Would also get rid of all conspiracy theories and throwing toys out of the pram.
As for Hamilton being the most marketable...get real. We are not all rapper wannabes.
#29
Posted 28 July 2014 - 18:58
Yes, I know that this is a British forum and expected this reaction; but stand by my assertion.
Would drop Hamilton immediately for either Hulkenberg and Bottas (both of whom are at least as fast, much cheaper and much lower maintenance) and save a bundle in the process. Would also get rid of all conspiracy theories and throwing toys out of the pram.
As for Hamilton being the most marketable...get real. We are not all rapper wannabes.
Has Hamilton rubbed you up the wrong way or something?
Also, if you don't ask you'll never know what you can get. Alonso already gets paid around this amount as well.
Edited by Moore, 28 July 2014 - 18:59.
#30
Posted 28 July 2014 - 18:59
Does anyone even understand how negotiations work?
>>>>> Driver starts up here
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Then they meet in the middle. Nothing story, pointless thread.
#32
Posted 28 July 2014 - 19:01
Why should I pay my number two driver I am sabotaging that much money
#33
Posted 28 July 2014 - 19:01
One point:
It is clear that Hamilton is making Rosberg faster, by Rosberg leeching data from Hamilton. It's clear that he is worth a lot more than Rosberg.
Yeah because you work on the Mercedes pitwall and know how much data each driver is absorbing from the other
#34
Posted 28 July 2014 - 19:01
The teams will pay what they will pay. No need to get upset about it. Estimates usually vary wildly depending on what website or publication you choose.
#35
Posted 28 July 2014 - 19:02
It's an awfully large amount, but hey if you think you can earn that much you can't blame his management for asking.
I expect Lewis will be spending a lot of time next year opening new Mercedes' showrooms.
#36
Posted 28 July 2014 - 19:05
At the end of the day Hamilton is the most marketable driver in f1 wether you love him or hate there is always a story about him and that's what sells
#37
Posted 28 July 2014 - 19:05
Yes, I know that this is a British forum and expected this reaction; but stand by my assertion.
Would drop Hamilton immediately for either Hulkenberg and Bottas (both of whom are at least as fast, much cheaper and much lower maintenance) and save a bundle in the process. Would also get rid of all conspiracy theories and throwing toys out of the pram.
As for Hamilton being the most marketable...get real. We are not all rapper wannabes.
According to this article he is: http://www.telegraph...ortsperson.html
Perhaps you should go and tell them that they are wrong
Considering his popularity in North America its hard to believe they are wrong
#38
Posted 28 July 2014 - 19:05
Wow! Formula One drivers get paid a lot.
#39
Posted 28 July 2014 - 19:06
First: the opening post indeed reeks of flame bait.
And several reply's also.
Second: The chance that Mercedes will ever need the German government (and hence the German taxpayer) to stay solvent, I estimate to be zero percent. For me that is the bottom-line: nobody should be a millionaire on the taxpayers-pocket. So it would be fundamently wrong for ABN-AMRO to pour money into Hamiltons pocket.
But Mercedes? No problem at all. If they want to smash their piggy-bank for Lewis, go right ahead...
To return to point 1: I find it sickening that are several regular contributors who just keep trying to rile up bile.
Edited by Nemo1965, 28 July 2014 - 19:07.
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#40
Posted 28 July 2014 - 19:06
It's an awfully large amount, but hey if you think you can earn that much you can't blame his management for asking.
I expect Lewis will be spending a lot of time next year opening new Mercedes' showrooms.
Nah, I'm sure another team will give him a drive...
#41
Posted 28 July 2014 - 19:08
And every time Hamilton opens his mouth about being disadvantaged by his team etc, etc. it will make him less attractive to the parent company.
Stands to reason. Marlboro got sick of James Hunt and Eddie Irvine for the same reason.
#42
Posted 28 July 2014 - 19:09
It's a bit steep for this time and age. Schumi and Kimi were supposedly earning $50 season at Ferrari, but that was before the financial crisis. Back then we had six works teams, now we have three if you can call Red Bull a works team. Now there just isn't that much money in the sport and no driver is worth that, especially when Hamilton is not beating Rosberg hands down.
#43
Posted 28 July 2014 - 19:11
According to this article he is: http://www.telegraph...ortsperson.html
SportsPro magazine also named Danil Kvyat [sic] the 40th 'worlds most marketable sportsperson', with Simona De Silvestro in 50th.
Really now? They couldn't find 40 football/American football/basketball/whatever players in the whole world that were more 'marketable' than Daniil Kvyat? Sure...!
Am I the only one to find this absolutely disgusting ?
No, it sounds like complete nonsense when compared to what guys like Bottas and Hülkenberg are earning, but as long as some teams are willing to pay... he might as well ask.
Edited by Nonesuch, 28 July 2014 - 19:14.
#44
Posted 28 July 2014 - 19:12
Isn't he on £20m a year now, which is about 25m euro? So he's going from 25 to 30? I mean, not the biggest jump in the world...
I'm sorry but this is ludicrous, I can only guess you are an english MP or some other big-wig living in cloud cuckoo land, because the rest of us are lucky to get 1% in these financial hard times.
Thats one heck of an increase.
Edited by Longtimefan, 28 July 2014 - 19:13.
#45
Posted 28 July 2014 - 19:15
£15m a year for Wayne Rooney or £23m for Hamilton. Who do you think puts more effort in and takes more risk for his money?
According to Forbes Hamilton already gets more than Alonso.
#46
Posted 28 July 2014 - 19:16
My point was not Hamilton's salary relative to Alonso or anybody else, it was how this kind of thing will play with Daimler's board. Do you seriously think that such an investment of €90 million, because that is what it would be treated as, will not go to the board ? Lauda and Wolff will have to be very persuasive.
And every time Hamilton opens his mouth about being disadvantaged by his team etc, etc. it will make him less attractive to the parent company.
Stands to reason. Marlboro got sick of James Hunt and Eddie Irvine for the same reason.
Your point was that it could make Mercedes pull out of F1. And then you went onto waffle about it being a British forum and something about rappers. Maybe you need to go back to a bit of editing, take out your general OT whines about Hamilton and plug into some common sense.
Driver asks, team offers, negotiations happen, agreement reached or not, contract signed or not. Mercedes themselves have already set the bar high by what they currently pay Hamilton and will be paying Rosberg.
#47
Posted 28 July 2014 - 19:16
#48
Posted 28 July 2014 - 19:16
According to this article he is: http://www.telegraph...ortsperson.html
Perhaps you should go and tell them that they are wrong
Considering his popularity in North America its hard to believe they are wrong
Considering that most people don't know half of the people on the list it holds no value.
#49
Posted 28 July 2014 - 19:16
Don't hate the player, hate the game.
#50
Posted 28 July 2014 - 19:17
£15m a year for Wayne Rooney or £23m for Hamilton. Who do you think puts more effort in and takes more risk for his money?
According to Forbes Hamilton already gets more than Alonso.
What mediocre players like Rooney get that **** load of money - man these Brits are crazy