I like how people say that the Williams car is just flattering Bottas; And He did not exactly set the world on fire his first year in formula one...
The red bull is also flattering Ricciardo. And he also did nothing to set the world on fire his first three years in formula one...
Bottas is from a team with half the money of RB, and coming off a terrible 2013 race year.
Ricciardo, well, he is with Red Bull. 2013 turned out pretty ok for them.
Both are having a great breakout year.
A year with an entirely new formula.
An Apples to Oranges comparison in many respects...
Ricciardo was good before he moved to RB and was acknowledged by drivers like Lewis before he got the move to the senior team but most people don't follow the midfield battles as much and just look at the results. Karun Chandok said he told Ted Kravitz as early as 2011 that he thought Ricciardo was going to be a WDC.
Qualified 6th in Bahrain in a lousy TR, impressed Button with his Q3 in China (reaction to Ricciardo making the top 10 in the shitty TR 'Wow, Ricciardo'), Lewis mentioned Ricciardo was the one that impressed him the most in his July Q&A last year. Smashed JEV in qualifying. Finished 2 seconds behind the Ferrari of Massa in a TR in China. Holding off Schumacher in a much faster Mercedes in Japan and doing that again vs Alonso in India. Just some examples.
The only thing that is different is that Ricciardo now has a competitive car underneath him to show the underlying speed that was always there and a decent team that are great strategists unlike TR who made some poor decisions.
You say that the Williams car is just flattering Bottas but Williams should have been second in the WCC from the start of the season. The drivers and the team themselves have botched their chances throughout the season:
- Bottas hitting the wall in Australia when it clearly had the pace to finish on the podium
- Williams not running during free practice and going by their data from Bahrain pre season testing which turned out to be wrong as track conditions were quite different and therefore tire degradation suffered in the race
- Williams actually getting pole in Austria 7 tenths ahead of the RB, half a second in Germany and about the same in Silverstone (an RB track), this is where Bottas has got the majority of his podiums and that is a massive speed differential to RB for them not to get on the podium
- Massa hitting Perez when he had the pace + fresher tires to win in Canada, Williams definitely had the pace there too
Sorry but the whole Williams wasn't great in 2013 and RB was is a lame excuse. Whole different set of regulations, if anything, RB continuing to improve their 2013 was a detriment to the 2014 development. You could see in pre-season Williams was right up there with the Merc hence why I said they should be second in the WCC. Their car is good. Having one bad year doesn't necessarily mean that will follow on the next year.
Ricciardo is being flattered by the RB? Seriously? the guy has won two races against the most dominant car since the 90s while racing against a 4xWDC. Most fans have failed to see his talent just because he was in a TR. Massa was flattered by his manager being Nicholas Todt, should have never made it to Ferrari in the first place, guy spun himself 5 times at a wet Silverstone when at Sauber while everyone else managed to keep it together.
No doubt Bottas is having solid season and his qualifying lap in Canada last year was brilliant but I'll wait till the end of the season before I consider Bottas being so highly ranked.
Edited by v@sh, 17 August 2014 - 10:16.