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#101 George Costanza

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Posted 25 September 2014 - 04:12

JEV is certainly better than Maldo. Pastor only ever impressed in the great 2012 Williams when alongside the mediocre Senna.

JEV has actually impressed every year he's driven with 6ths, ahead of things his fancied teammates achieved. I'd put money on saying he's a better driver than Massa or Maldo, Marko the dildo has shown him the cold shoulder and he's still driving well.

Ok. He's better than Pastor, I'd agree. But I don't think he's better than Felipe.



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#102 Thomas99

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Posted 25 September 2014 - 05:09

Ok. He's better than Pastor, I'd agree. But I don't think he's better than Felipe.

 

He was very close to Ricciardo in outright performance, who so far has been well clear of Vettel. 



#103 Ragnar668

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Posted 25 September 2014 - 05:37

He was very close to Ricciardo in outright performance, who so far has been well clear of Vettel. 

 

Why?
Worse in quali, better in racing they say
If you start further down the road you start among drivers who are less



#104 charly0418

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Posted 25 September 2014 - 15:52

When the car is incapable of scoring points consistently, points are a terrible barometer for driver performance.

 

When looking at those seasons closely, Dan was far and away the better driver. JEV got lucky in that the few times he was on it, he got big points, where as RIC was consistently finishing higher than the car deserved but more often than not outside the top 10.

 

It depends on the team dude, midfield teams like Force India and McLaren are fighting for every point out there, the battle for 5th is close.



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Posted 25 September 2014 - 17:18

He was very close to Ricciardo in outright performance, who so far has been well clear of Vettel. 

That's bold. Ricciardo brutally trashed him in qualifications by over 0.5s on average. That means JEV doesn't have fundamental speed which the rest of skill is always based on. I've never heard of bad qualifiers who were very good in races.


Edited by grichka, 25 September 2014 - 17:30.


#106 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 25 September 2014 - 17:54

What is all this 'Massa is poor in the rain' nonsense? Are they basing this on Silverstone 2008?

#107 derstatic

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Posted 25 September 2014 - 18:14

I've never heard of bad qualifiers who were very good in races.

 

Button springs to mind, relatively speaking.

 

About JEV the guy seems to have enough talent to stay in F1. Replacing either Sutil/Gutierrez at Sauber would be an improvement for the Swiss.

At Lotus to replace Pastor or Grosjean if he gets a better seat somewhere else would also be plausible.



#108 lbennie

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Posted 26 September 2014 - 00:35

Why?
Worse in quali, better in racing they say
If you start further down the road you start among drivers who are less

 

You really think hes a better racer than Ric?



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Posted 26 September 2014 - 07:07

Why couldn't he replace Maldonado at Lotus? An all French line-up for 2015!



#110 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 26 September 2014 - 08:34

Why couldn't he replace Maldonado at Lotus? An all French line-up for 2015!

 

Maldonado brings muchos pesos from Venezuela.

 

Grosjean I can see being at Mclaren after a year's sabbatical maybe. The Eric Boullier links certainly aren't tenuous.



#111 GoGro

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Posted 26 September 2014 - 08:40

Grosjean won't take a year off. ha has the support of Total which brings him a lot money. I just read an interview in a newspaper last week of Total CEO along with Grosjean, and both were saying that all Romain needed was a better car. So they will be ready to pay to get a good seat.


Edited by GoGro, 26 September 2014 - 08:40.


#112 Ncedi

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Posted 26 September 2014 - 13:27

No one punting JEV in place of Alonso at Ferrari?  :rotfl:



#113 DutchQuicksilver

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Posted 26 September 2014 - 14:01

Maldonado brings muchos pesos from Venezuela.

 

Grosjean I can see being at Mclaren after a year's sabbatical maybe. The Eric Boullier links certainly aren't tenuous.

Here we go again. There is no link between Boullier and Grosjean besides them both being French.



#114 Dolph

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Posted 26 September 2014 - 19:08

Here we go again. There is no link between Boullier and Grosjean besides them both being French.

 

They also worked together for two years and Boullier kept saying Grosjean is a top driver. When you smth often enough you'll start to believe it. I'd bet Boullier would like to bring Grosjean to McLaren.



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Posted 04 October 2014 - 10:48

Booted out of Toro Rosso when he's performing well for them and then apparently isn't even considered for a promotion to the big team when the opportunity arises. I think this is the end for JEV, cruelly



#116 lbennie

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Posted 04 October 2014 - 11:16

Poor JEV  :cry:



#117 icecream

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Posted 04 October 2014 - 15:26

wonder if there's any chance he'll be retained at TR now?  wouldn't be crazy to hold onto him as a benchmark for verstappen.



#118 DutchQuicksilver

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Posted 04 October 2014 - 17:06

Nah, that second seat is for Sainz Jr. really.



#119 Sheepmachine

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Posted 04 October 2014 - 17:08

In his interview with the bbc he said that torro rosso didn't retain him because he is to old. That seems harsh he's only 24!

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Posted 04 October 2014 - 17:22

In his interview with the bbc he said that torro rosso didn't retain him because he is to old. That seems harsh he's only 24!

 

indeed, a 40 years old man can still race well, so a 24 should still have a long way to go, there is something wrong with this, give kids time on lower racing categories to build experience and character, and if they win let them come to the top, I wouldn't be against a minimum age like 18 or 21 for the super license.

 

anyway, if Kvyat has done enough to move up to RBR I don't see how Vergne doesn't deserve the same or to at least stay at STR, he could be good for the team and their driver program (as a reference) specially since the other driver is so unexperienced... 

 

I think.



#121 ANF

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Posted 04 October 2014 - 17:56

I've always thought Vergne has the name, the looks, and the speed to be a star in Indycar. I would be surprised, however, if he ever made it to the very top in F1.



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Posted 04 October 2014 - 18:10

It was not his age that was the problem. If you bother to scratch the surface, there are three key issues:

(A.) He's inconsistent. This is obvious if you look at his form and it's the reason he was given last year by Helmut Marko as to why Daniel was preferred over him. With Dan alongside him he would often make mistakes under pressure, particularly in quali. His resilience was questionable.

(B.) His feedback is not good. See this quote from ex STR designer Furbato: "The other driver (Jean-Eric Vergne) was very limited in his feedback, so Daniel was always the point of reference." http://www.grandprix...ns/ns28804.html

(C.) Brundle mentioned today that Marko had said JEV was let go because of what he wasn't doing out of the car, implying he did not have the required work ethic.

On his day he is brilliant, as good and sometimes better than Dan (esp in the wet) but those three things above are very important parts of being the complete package. Can he change them? Sure. But F1 is not a very patient sport. Personally I think there's no question he is outperforming Kyvat this season, but he is a lot more experienced, so...tough call.

Edited by goingthedistance, 04 October 2014 - 18:13.


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Posted 04 October 2014 - 18:25

It was not his age that was the problem. If you bother to scratch the surface, there are three key issues:

(A.) He's inconsistent. This is obvious if you look at his form and it's the reason he was given last year by Helmut Marko as to why Daniel was preferred over him. With Dan alongside him he would often make mistakes under pressure, particularly in quali. His resilience was questionable.

(B.) His feedback is not good. See this quote from ex STR designer Furbato: "The other driver (Jean-Eric Vergne) was very limited in his feedback, so Daniel was always the point of reference." http://www.grandprix...ns/ns28804.html

(C.) Brundle mentioned today that Marko had said JEV was let go because of what he wasn't doing out of the car, implying he did not have the required work ethic.

On his day he is brilliant, as good and sometimes better than Dan (esp in the wet) but those three things above are very important parts of being the complete package. Can he change them? Sure. But F1 is not a very patient sport. Personally I think there's no question he is outperforming Kyvat this season, but he is a lot more experienced, so...tough call.

 

If it's true what Marko said why did they bother keeping him for 3 seasons at Toro Rosso? I'm not buying that and I think it's unfair of Marko to come out and say something like that when he knows JEV is looking for a drive. I think he's been treated pretty shoddily to be honest.



#124 goingthedistance

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Posted 04 October 2014 - 18:31

If it's true what Marko said why did they bother keeping him for 3 seasons at Toro Rosso? I'm not buying that and I think it's unfair of Marko to come out and say something like that when he knows JEV is looking for a drive. I think he's been treated pretty shoddily to be honest.


It takes some time to form an understanding of the pros and cons of a driver I'm sure. These are recent-ish conclusions based on JEV's time at STR.

I don't know about shoddy treatment, it's a ruthless program and they know that when they take the contract. But I do think Red Bull could have held off on announcing Kyvat to the main team, seems very knee jerk. They're going to look a bit silly if Ricciardo trounces Kyvat next year and JEV is doing well somewhere else.

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Posted 04 October 2014 - 18:33

It was not his age that was the problem. If you bother to scratch the surface, there are three key issues:

(A.) He's inconsistent. This is obvious if you look at his form and it's the reason he was given last year by Helmut Marko as to why Daniel was preferred over him. With Dan alongside him he would often make mistakes under pressure, particularly in quali. His resilience was questionable.

(B.) His feedback is not good. See this quote from ex STR designer Furbato: "The other driver (Jean-Eric Vergne) was very limited in his feedback, so Daniel was always the point of reference." http://www.grandprix...ns/ns28804.html

(C.) Brundle mentioned today that Marko had said JEV was let go because of what he wasn't doing out of the car, implying he did not have the required work ethic.

On his day he is brilliant, as good and sometimes better than Dan (esp in the wet) but those three things above are very important parts of being the complete package. Can he change them? Sure. But F1 is not a very patient sport. Personally I think there's no question he is outperforming Kyvat this season, but he is a lot more experienced, so...tough call.

I'm not disputing that he's inconsistent sometimes (Singapore brilliant, Monza invisible), it's more that he said himself that Torro Rosso weren't keeping him because he is to old. Of all the reasons to drop someone age (at 24) is a terrible choice. It should be about talent not age.

#126 Bloggsworth

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Posted 04 October 2014 - 18:37

Anonymity - He doesn't deserve it. Maybe he can get a prestigious Formula E drive.



#127 Jon83

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Posted 04 October 2014 - 20:29

What next? More time with his lovely girlfriend, by the looks of things!



#128 jonpollak

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Posted 04 October 2014 - 20:37

Schmidt and Andretti are looking at both JEV and Button...

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Posted 04 October 2014 - 20:40

It was not his age that was the problem. If you bother to scratch the surface, there are three key issues:

(A.) He's inconsistent. This is obvious if you look at his form and it's the reason he was given last year by Helmut Marko as to why Daniel was preferred over him. With Dan alongside him he would often make mistakes under pressure, particularly in quali. His resilience was questionable.

(B.) His feedback is not good. See this quote from ex STR designer Furbato: "The other driver (Jean-Eric Vergne) was very limited in his feedback, so Daniel was always the point of reference." http://www.grandprix...ns/ns28804.html


(C.) Brundle mentioned today that Marko had said JEV was let go because of what he wasn't doing out of the car, implying he did not have the required work ethic.

On his day he is brilliant, as good and sometimes better than Dan (esp in the wet) but those three things above are very important parts of being the complete package. Can he change them? Sure. But F1 is not a very patient sport. Personally I think there's no question he is outperforming Kyvat this season, but he is a lot more experienced, so...tough call.


If he was that bad why did they keep him on for 3 years?

They could have given him feedback and he would have worked on those 3 things. It isnt as though technical aptitude, work ethic and the like cannot be taught.

Sorry, I do not buy it.

I hope he ends up at Sauber or Lotus next year. He is good enough and maybe a change of scene will help him.

#130 LORDBYRON

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Posted 04 October 2014 - 20:54

Like all the others that could not make it he will have to apply his trade to alternative Motorsport or expect defeat and retire.  



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Posted 04 October 2014 - 21:05

If he was that bad why did they keep him on for 3 years?

They could have given him feedback and he would have worked on those 3 things. It isnt as though technical aptitude, work ethic and the like cannot be taught.

Sorry, I do not buy it.

I hope he ends up at Sauber or Lotus next year. He is good enough and maybe a change of scene will help him.

 

 

Technical knowledge fair enough, but I wouldn't be employing someone I had to 'teach' work ethic.

 

Don't get me wrong though, I feel sorry for JEV. Hopefully Indycar beckons - he could do really well over there.


Edited by DS27, 04 October 2014 - 21:06.


#132 William Hunt

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Posted 04 October 2014 - 21:07

On Belgian tv they said that during qualifying that Vergne has had a meeting with Monisha Kaltenberg for a seat at Sauber and Eddie Jordan said that Vergne could replace Hülkenberg if the latter moves to Porsche in WEC.



#133 grunge

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Posted 04 October 2014 - 21:34

I really like Vergne and i suspect his consistency issues have a lot to do with his ''easy on the tires'' driving style..Wthats why he excels on raceday because he can manage his tires better but struggles in Quali as he cant get them up to grip soon enough....Would explain his on/off performance pattern too..hes very good when he can switch his tires on and beat Ricciardo last year (which is no mean feat considering what the latter is doing at RB right now) but then turn to ordinary when he cant....kind of like the Button/Raikkonen syndrome



#134 emmanuelrubi

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Posted 04 October 2014 - 21:43

So what about the rumors of Hulkenberg leaving F1 and being replaced by Vergne at FI ?



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Posted 04 October 2014 - 21:58

If it's true what Marko said why did they bother keeping him for 3 seasons at Toro Rosso? I'm not buying that and I think it's unfair of Marko to come out and say something like that when he knows JEV is looking for a drive. I think he's been treated pretty shoddily to be honest.

 

Three seasons in F1 is being treated shoddily? Where can I sign up?

 

Seriously, Vergne has been given an excellent chance to show if he's good enough. And during that time, there have been two opportunities to get a RBR drive. Both times, RB rejected him. That says they don't think he's good enough.

 

And Vergne saying its because he's too old is just posturing. What else is he going to say? That he was too ****? Too slow, too inconsistent, too lazy outside of the car? Obviously not.



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Posted 04 October 2014 - 22:01

Schmidt and Andretti are looking at both JEV and Button...

 

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