Steve Matchett mention the idea during practice yesterday.
How serious is Red Bull about doing their own power unit?
#1
Posted 23 August 2014 - 15:46
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#2
Posted 23 August 2014 - 15:58
What a topic. It already existed iirc.
They are quite serious but it's also really hard to build your own engine and make it actually WORK, competitively.
#3
Posted 23 August 2014 - 16:01
Just bluster. A RB engine is about as likely as the PURE engine was.
#4
Posted 23 August 2014 - 16:01
How serious?
That serious >>
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Edited by Timstr11, 23 August 2014 - 16:03.
#5
Posted 23 August 2014 - 16:18
I need to update my CV.
#6
Posted 23 August 2014 - 16:19
In the near future I think this is more about working very closely with Renault rather than doing it all on their own.
#7
Posted 23 August 2014 - 16:23
This is about engine internals. That's Renault's turf and none of Redbull's business. Unless they have their own engine project, which looks to be the case.
#8
Posted 23 August 2014 - 16:36
In an organization as big and ambitious as Red Bull Technology I'd imagine there'd be a few black ops R&D projects going on. Bit like how Honda used to build full F1 cars in the '80s and '90s but in reverse.
Edited by Risil, 23 August 2014 - 16:37.
#9
Posted 23 August 2014 - 17:34
In an organization as big and ambitious as Red Bull Technology I'd imagine there'd be a few black ops R&D projects going on. Bit like how Honda used to build full F1 cars in the '80s and '90s but in reverse.
Except that Honda is a huge car and bike manufacturer with fingers in many different motorsport pies and decades of experience and knowledge.
Whereas Red Bull makes an energy drink and has a F1 team that has only been really successful for a handful of years. If they have black ops, it will be developing a better ring pull.
#10
Posted 23 August 2014 - 17:37
Can't argue with that. But surely they'd be able to do some smaller-scale R&D based on the Renault powerplants they already use?
#11
Posted 23 August 2014 - 17:55
You can always buy in engine expertise if you sell 'industrial waste' as an overpriced energy drink - after all I do not recall Adrian Newey being involved in designing a better ring-pull or tin-can
#12
Posted 23 August 2014 - 18:54
#13
Posted 23 August 2014 - 18:57
Couple this with Horner's suggestion that Lotus get themselves Mercedes engines so that Renault can concentrate on producing a PU that best suits Red Bull's needs, and I wonder if producing their own engine is a real possibility for RB, or is this just to leverage Renault.
#14
Posted 23 August 2014 - 19:19
How serious?
That serious >>
Why so serious?
#15
Posted 23 August 2014 - 20:20
Except that Honda is a huge car and bike manufacturer with fingers in many different motorsport pies and decades of experience and knowledge.
Whereas Red Bull makes an energy drink and has a F1 team that has only been really successful for a handful of years. If they have black ops, it will be developing a better ring pull.
And Microsoft used to just produce a single chip.
#16
Posted 23 August 2014 - 23:59
And Microsoft used to just produce a single chip.
#17
Posted 24 August 2014 - 02:45
And Microsoft used to just produce a single chip.
That was "Pringles" actually, but then they replicated that chip millions of time and added flavors and put them in a tube instead of a bag and ......
#18
Posted 24 August 2014 - 06:58
I wouldn't read too much into that job vacancy at Redbull. They were the team that reintroduced and dominated the exhaust blown diffuser. That needed a very good understanding of the fluid dynamics of an engine and what part it forms of the overall package.
#19
Posted 24 August 2014 - 07:08
If PURE can setup an engine design operation from scratch, why can't Redbull who are better funded?
Word is that it is for a Redbull road car project, but longer term they must be toying with the idea to do their own F1 ICE.
Edited by Timstr11, 24 August 2014 - 09:59.
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#20
Posted 24 August 2014 - 19:30
If PURE can setup an engine design operation from scratch, why can't Redbull who are better funded?
PURE never actually produced an engine though, so their engine design operation was rather more theoretical than a real set-up.
In a way, I hope that Red Bull do try to make their own engine as they will then join Caterham at the back, before exiting F1 altogether. Who was the last team to build its own engine? LIFE wasn't it?
#21
Posted 24 August 2014 - 20:15
Red Bull have got massive dollar to throw at it though, they'd probably succeed.
Why haven't the likes of Williams and moreso, McLaren never developed their own engines?
#22
Posted 24 August 2014 - 20:45
Red Bull have got massive dollar to throw at it though, they'd probably succeed.
Why haven't the likes of Williams and moreso, McLaren never developed their own engines?
You already gave the answer. They've never had the cash.
#23
Posted 24 August 2014 - 22:39
Red Bull aren't just a drinks company.
They are a globally recognised multi-layer enterprise with money lining every orifice they are involved in.
Mclaren and Williams are a drop in the ocean to these guys in terms of financial power. Red Bull have the economic ability to form what McLaren is on every continent in the world.
#24
Posted 25 August 2014 - 02:15
arrows i think, they had there own hart engine built in a hurry
but its a question of people, resources and money, plus time
#25
Posted 25 August 2014 - 02:50
#26
Posted 25 August 2014 - 05:38
#27
Posted 25 August 2014 - 06:51
arrows i think, they had there own hart engine built in a hurry
Arrows owner Tom Walkinshaw bought Brian Hart's company late in 1997 and re-badged the V10 that was in development 'Arrows'.
#28
Posted 25 August 2014 - 16:20
Red Bull aren't just a drinks company.
They are a globally recognised multi-layer enterprise with money lining every orifice they are involved in.
So what else do RB do apart from the drinks? I know they seem to have plenty of dosh, because idiots continue to buy their dreadful muck.
#29
Posted 25 August 2014 - 21:52
Nissan/Infinity coming over to F1 through Red Bull taking over from Renault?
It's a long shot as Renault/Nissan is kind of the same thing but try to explain that to some people who still think Renault is 100% French and Nissan is 100% Japanese
#30
Posted 25 August 2014 - 22:07
You already gave the answer. They've never had the cash.
I don't believe that's the case, the road car engines are the learning path. Clearly the deal with Honda though suggests that financially having a partner is a huge deal and a leap they're not willing to take just yet.
#31
Posted 26 August 2014 - 00:40
RedBull could probably buy Renault, lock stock and barrel.
At least the F1 engine plant at Mecachrome.