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[zanquis]

HistoryFan, well I think putting Bottas in a cage with a forced fight rule to maybe Max dad Jos might be a career ending day for Bottas. I don't think Bottas has a surviving change. Especially if you could take Jos on the same age/stage of his life. To be honest your argument sucks and is very weak. I think both Verstappen fans and haters will agree poor Bottas has no change in that fight. K that was just you and me being silly the real reason why Finnish drivers are successful is here below....

The reason why Finnish drivers perform well has more to do with their culture and conditions. Finnish love speed, they almost all do, and driving vehicles fast on bad surfaces from a early stage really helps develop their skills as only the best and most fearless ones can continue. And often no one would care about age, if you can reach the pedals then you are old enough.

It also helps that there is little distraction in other sports for most of them. For instance Doornbos was well on his way to be a pro tennis player, Schumacher, I know he is german but as a example he could just as easy have turned into a pro footballer. He was a decent footballer during his career as a race driver if he did not catch the racevirus and a change to go race at a early age he would not have started his career that we know now. Finnish boys buy a old car for cheap and race them on empty roads. Younger boys see this. It makes them more likely to want to into racing instead something boring as football.

Also Dutch have something as Dutch common sense going against them, selling it al for a career in racing in the Netherlands might make everyone around you trying to put you in a straight jacket, everyone will tell you to just try and get a normal career. But doing the same in Finland will get your friends cheer you on and they will see how they can support you. They get encouraged instead of discouraged.

[lars75]

Rob Kaman

Ramon Dekkers (overleden)

Peter Aerts

Ernesto Hoost (Suriname)

Remy Bonjasky (Suriname)

Badr Hari (Marokko)

Semmy Schilt

Andy Souwer

Alistair Overeem (Suriname)

Tyrone Spong (Suriname)

 

They all disagree....

 

And there is Rico Verhoeven!!! Don't wanna argue with that guy :-)

 

 

Yeah, they are so good they lost three finals in the world cup, won 1 (!) European championship...

 

Anyway, there is no reason why the Netherlands should not become just succesfull as the Finns...

 

And how many world cup finals or euorpean finals did the Finns play??? 

 

There is no reason that the Finns may just be as succesfull as the Dutch at some point! 

 

Dutch: Cruijff, van Basten, Gullit, Rijkaard, Koeman, Kluivert, Bergkamp, van Nistelrooy, Sneijder, Robben, van Persie aso aso aso

 

Finns: Jari Litmanen

Edited by lars75, 09 September 2014 - 13:58.

[rjsports]

The main problem is the lack of support in the Netherlands. I mean all the talents you name have to do it completely on their own and you see them fail (like Frijns for example) with lack of sponsors. Back in the days when Zandvoort was still a thing you had support by starting in the Formula Fords and race in a Dutch championship. And Dutch companies would invest money, like they did in Jos Verstappen for example. Winning the Marlboro Masters of Zandvoort meant that you where on the radar for teams like McLaren and Williams. I don't know how things go in Great Britain, I know the British F3 is almost dead (just 5 cars left). But for example in Germany you have the ADAC, which provides a good series to start your career in. And later on you have the German F3, which still has some cars on the grid. I also feel that their is more support for racing in Germany.

 

But let's compare with other countries. Their aren't much Italian drivers left. Yes you have Marciello, Fuoco (maybe), but thats about it. While you had 3 or 4 Italian drivers 10/15 years ago. The same problem will come for Spain. They have Alonso, but in the feeder series you don't see a lot of Spanish drivers rising to the top.

 

At the end it's about money and Dutch companies chose to sponsor a team and not a driver. Which is different to countries like, Mexico, Venezuela and Brasil.

 

There is still something positive when a F1 team decides to contract you in their F1 Development Program, like Max Verstappen and Nyck de Vries.

[Jimisgod]

Why do only Finns seem to end up in F1 and associated categories, while all the other Scandinavian countries (and Finland) have a good history in rally?

The number of Swedes in F1 since Ronnie can probably be counted on one hand. We've had Salo, Kovalinen, Hakkinen, Raikkonen, Rosberg Sr, JJ Lehto, Bottas in the same period.

[Buttoneer]

A little reminder of the topic under discussion;

 

There are a lot of very, very talented racing driver  from Netherlands currently competing in the Junior Formula Series:

 

We have Max Verstappen

We have Robin Frijns

We have Nyck de Vries

 

Van der Garde and Melker are also very good, Steijn Schothorst is doing also very well.

 

Why are there so many very talented driver from the Netherlands now. And why not in the past? There were just a few good drivers, but not that talented that nowadays.

 

While discussion of other nationalities can inform the discussion, the question is why Dutch drivers now, and not before.

 

Thank you.

[lars75]

They have Alonso, but in the feeder series you don't see a lot of Spanish drivers rising to the top.

 

Well!!!

 

Canamasas, Sainz jr, Mehri, Jorda (one to watch  )

[zanquis]

Yes Canamasas is really one to watch, how many drivers manage to get not once but twice a black flag in GP2? Yeah he has some speed, but considering the risk he takes it makes you wonder if that is skill or just lack of fear/common sense.

Sainz and Mehri look good but I wonder how strong the competition is this season. But yeah he did show how weak a other is who is not made for F1.

[lars75]

Yes Canamasas is really one to watch, how many drivers manage to get not once but twice a black flag in GP2? Yeah he has some speed, but considering the risk he takes it makes you wonder if that is skill or just lack of fear/common sense.

Sainz and Mehri look good but I wonder how strong the competition is this season. But yeah he did show how weak a other is who is not made for F1.

 

Hahaha yeah Canamasas is something!!! But hey, he is a spanish driver in GP2 :-)

 

That Jorda in GP3 is a pleasure to watch though!