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Poll: Engine differences (44 member(s) have cast votes)

Mercedes is ahead of Renault

  1. by under 30 HP (8 votes [18.18%])

    Percentage of vote: 18.18%

  2. by between 30 and 50 HP (21 votes [47.73%])

    Percentage of vote: 47.73%

  3. by more then 50 HP (15 votes [34.09%])

    Percentage of vote: 34.09%

Mercedes is ahead of Ferrari

  1. by under 30 HP (9 votes [20.45%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.45%

  2. by between 30 and 50 HP (20 votes [45.45%])

    Percentage of vote: 45.45%

  3. by more then 50 HP (15 votes [34.09%])

    Percentage of vote: 34.09%

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#1 MotorsportFerrari

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Posted 24 August 2014 - 14:14

I felt we had to discuss it. Ferrari never came up with claiming Mercedes were ahead only due to its engine. In contrary Red Bull said it millions of times they had the best chassis by far and it was Renault which destroyed their year. Helmut Marko said a few days ago Renault was still 60 (!!!!!) HP down on Mercedes.

 

I know Red Bull went for a very skinny low downforce setup, but I just can't believe that you can have such a competitive top speed if you had such a deficit in terms of power. Not to mention that even Mercedes used a new lowish downforce rear wing.

I find it really naughty from Red Bull to put all the blame on Renault all the time.



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#2 Petroltorque

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Posted 28 August 2014 - 07:26

Race car Engineering in a preseason article stated that the Renault's targeted output was 760bhp. The Mercedes is reported to be punching out around 800bhp. Might have something to do with the much larger turbo Mercedes run. Don't know about the Ferrari but their customer version is not much cup.

#3 Exb

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Posted 28 August 2014 - 08:30

 

I know Red Bull went for a very skinny low downforce setup, but I just can't believe that you can have such a competitive top speed if you had such a deficit in terms of power. Not to mention that even Mercedes used a new lowish downforce rear wing.

I find it really naughty from Red Bull to put all the blame on Renault all the time.

 Well lets wait and see what happens in Monza when all the teams will be running the very low downforce settings - I guess it will be the best race of the season to try and work out the differences between the power units.



#4 v@sh

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Posted 28 August 2014 - 09:38

Race car Engineering in a preseason article stated that the Renault's targeted output was 760bhp. The Mercedes is reported to be punching out around 800bhp. Might have something to do with the much larger turbo Mercedes run. Don't know about the Ferrari but their customer version is not much cup.

 

Was this with or without ERS? Just the ICE?

Targeted output was 760 bhp but did they actually hit that target because had they had a lot of problems until Canada/Austria where they said they were running at full power? was the target over the course of the season?

Too many questions.

It will be interesting to see whether Renault/Ferrari catch-up next year and what design change they make to their PUs.



#5 Jon83

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Posted 28 August 2014 - 09:39

I've got absolutely no idea.



#6 Petroltorque

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Posted 28 August 2014 - 14:10

The quoted figures were for total output, ie ICE and ERS.

#7 rodlamas

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Posted 28 August 2014 - 14:27

It depends. One thing is peak performance. Let's say Mercedes can have a 100bhp advantage over Ferrari over one lap.

 

But probably they cannot do the same thing for the entire race so they have an average advantage of 40-50bhp.



#8 Mauseri

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Posted 28 August 2014 - 20:32

 Well lets wait and see what happens in Monza when all the teams will be running the very low downforce settings - I guess it will be the best race of the season to try and work out the differences between the power units.

Actually, it is not. In Monza it is easier to make up the lack of power with good aero. From corners there is not enough grip to use all the power and top speed is more about the drag than power. Good power unit still helps but not as much as on normal high-df stop and go race track.


Edited by Mauseri, 28 August 2014 - 20:33.


#9 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 28 August 2014 - 21:35

BMW had a 50bhp advantage over Ferrari in 2001 and 2002. The Ferrari had the better package though. Red Bull need to focus on this.

#10 warp

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Posted 28 August 2014 - 22:11

BMW had a 50bhp advantage over Ferrari in 2001 and 2002. The Ferrari had the better package though. Red Bull need to focus on this.

 

Yeah, I remember that back in the day differences in engine power were in that kind of order. Rarely engines have been close apart from each other.

 

It must be the engine characteristics and power delivery that makes the Mercedes so good. It's not only the peak or even the average power, it must be how the engine delivers it, the modes that drivers can use and stuff like that.... and of course, the chassis.



#11 pingu666

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Posted 28 August 2014 - 23:26

the ferrari pu is as some put it, a random number genorator, but its gotten better :)