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#3901 HeadFirst

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Posted 20 October 2014 - 14:18

I think Perez is a decent driver but wouldn't say he has had the measure of Hulkenerg, by any means.

 

It's a fairly decent driver partnership though.

 

Agreed. I've always liked Hulkenberg, and Perez has bounced back from a dreadful year at McLaren. As a pairing they are pretty strong, I hope it continues intact.



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#3902 Collective

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Posted 20 October 2014 - 14:48

After they crashed into each other in Hungary? where was it Perez has had the upper hand. Not saying the collision is the reason by the way

A) Hulk crashed into Perez. B) The poster was probably just referencing that Perez has finished ahead in 4 of the last 5 races, plus there were a few others before, like Bahrain and Barcelona, but anyway...

 

C) Back to topic: Perez won't get a top team chance, and it doesn't look like Nico has one either or else he wouldn't have signed the 2015 contract this early.



#3903 BRG

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Posted 20 October 2014 - 18:13

Although I would love to see Kubica back, I would be amazed if he returns to F1. He constantly makes news when he talks about F1 but his improvement has been laborious, taking years, although the progress he has made considering that horrific accident has been amazing. I'm not a doctor so I can't rule out a return of course but realistically, there is probably a better chance of one of us on this thread getting a five figure or more win on the lottery.

Kubica actually said that one of his (rather too many) crashes in the WRC this year was due to him not being able to hold the steering wheel sufficiently well.  Which surely rules out any sort of racing car.



#3904 Knot

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Posted 20 October 2014 - 18:21

Although I would love to see Kubica back, I would be amazed if he returns to F1. He constantly makes news when he talks about F1 but his improvement has been laborious, taking years, although the progress he has made considering that horrific accident has been amazing. I'm not a doctor so I can't rule out a return of course but realistically, there is probably a better chance of one of us on this thread getting a five figure or more win on the lottery.

 

Ditto on the lottery bit.

 

I don't know why Kubica has to poke his head in F1 anymore. Maybe self promotion, whatever. His time in F1 as a driver is completely done.



#3905 LuckyStrike1

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Posted 20 October 2014 - 18:24

I think he just felt a bit left out and wanted to be mentioned in the Autosport Forum Silly Season 2015 thread. Objective completed. 



#3906 sopa

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Posted 20 October 2014 - 19:11

Interesting. Wonder what this means for Ferrari?  Last week FI said they were waiting on Ferrari to confirm their line up before they could decide on their drivers, presumably with it coming down to whether or not Hulk was going to Ferrari. 

 

Maybe somebody there hoped that Raikkonen would be sacked by Ferrari again on the back of a disappointing season, but looks like it is not going to happen. Hence the hopes of other drivers have been dashed for next year at least.



#3907 TomNokoe

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Posted 20 October 2014 - 19:17

Is it only one extra year for Hulk? Perhaps his last chance to prove himself to the big boys.

Was Perez already contracted for next year, or is Juncadella and a plethora of others still in the picture?

#3908 emmanuelrubi

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Posted 20 October 2014 - 19:23

Is it only one extra year for Hulk? Perhaps his last chance to prove himself to the big boys.

Was Perez already contracted for next year, or is Juncadella and a plethora of others still in the picture?

 

According to some rumors i read (Inc. in the Hulk vs Perez threat) If Grosjean hasn't signed with Lotus before the friday of the US GP Sergio Perez is the strong contender to join Maldonado ( :confused: ) at Lotus while his seat is gonna be taken by Esteban Gutierrez at Force India.


Edited by emmanuelrubi, 20 October 2014 - 19:23.


#3909 TomNokoe

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Posted 20 October 2014 - 19:25

sigh
Thanks for the swift reply. Ties in somewhat with Van Der Garde's tweet hinting that he's on the grid next year.

#3910 Santosdf

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Posted 20 October 2014 - 19:33

According to some rumors i read (Inc. in the Hulk vs Perez threat) If Grosjean hasn't signed with Lotus before the friday of the US GP Sergio Perez is the strong contender to join Maldonado ( :confused: ) at Lotus while his seat is gonna be taken by Esteban Gutierrez at Force India.

Why would FI take Gutierrez instead of Perez?, or Why would Perez choose Lotus instead of FI? it doesn't make sense to me, Lotus's problems this year were not just the engine, I don't think they are going to be  better than FI with mercedes engine.



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Posted 20 October 2014 - 19:35

Why would FI take Gutierrez instead of Perez?, or Why would Perez choose Lotus instead of FI? it doesn't make sense to me, Lotus's problems this year were not just the engine, I don't think they are going to be  better than FI with mercedes engine.

 

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#3912 LuckyStrike1

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Posted 20 October 2014 - 19:45

Why would FI take Gutierrez instead of Perez?, or Why would Perez choose Lotus instead of FI? it doesn't make sense to me, Lotus's problems this year were not just the engine, I don't think they are going to be  better than FI with mercedes engine.

 

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Edited by LuckyStrike1, 20 October 2014 - 19:48.


#3913 Mauseri

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Posted 20 October 2014 - 19:47

Why would FI take Gutierrez instead of Perez?, or Why would Perez choose Lotus instead of FI? it doesn't make sense to me, Lotus's problems this year were not just the engine, I don't think they are going to be  better than FI with mercedes engine.

FI have been weak this year considering the Mercedes engine. With the right engine Lotus could well be fighting with them.



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Posted 20 October 2014 - 20:09

I'll give you 200 MUSD if you'll be my friend for a year, and agree with everything I write on Autosports Forum. 

Do you think Gutierrez brings more sponsors than Perez? they are both backed by Carlos Slim 



#3915 LuckyStrike1

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Posted 20 October 2014 - 20:12

Do you think Gutierrez brings more sponsors than Perez? they are both backed by Carlos Slim 

 

Sometimes Dad gave my brother a better present than I got and vice versa. I'm on a bit of an metaphor theme right now I feel. 

 

Put it another way or two: Their place in F1 is dependent on how much of Daddys money Carlos Slim's son is prepared to pay to get them an F1 seat. If he likes one more than the other to the tune of some extra million bucks .... and that's how one would get a seat over the other in these cash strapped midfield teams. 



#3916 Blanchimont2002

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Posted 20 October 2014 - 20:17

Ditto on the lottery bit.

I don't know why Kubica has to poke his head in F1 anymore. Maybe self promotion, whatever. His time in F1 as a driver is completely done.


Wow. Bit harsh on the guy don't you think? He can't help the questions that he is asked. And he was "completely done" with f1 due to an accident, not lack of talent.

#3917 JTSaika

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Posted 21 October 2014 - 00:25

So uh.... This caught my interest a little in light of Hulkenbergs renewed contract.

Quote:"Congrats buddy Nico Hulkenberg , hopefully we can have some nice fights next year, like the old days ;)"  Giedo Van Der Garde

Now, i don't know exactly if this is him or not seeing as it's a facebook page (Yeh, exactly) but.... lol.. 


Edited by JTSaika, 21 October 2014 - 00:28.


#3918 Thespianoid

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Posted 21 October 2014 - 10:30

And he was "completely done" with f1 due to an accident, not lack of talent.

 

Knot never said anything remotely implying a lack of talent. Not sure where you're getting that impression. 



#3919 rjsports

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Posted 21 October 2014 - 12:20

 

So uh.... This caught my interest a little in light of Hulkenbergs renewed contract.

Quote:"Congrats buddy Nico Hulkenberg , hopefully we can have some nice fights next year, like the old days ;)"  Giedo Van Der Garde

Now, i don't know exactly if this is him or not seeing as it's a facebook page (Yeh, exactly) but.... lol.. 

 

 

I think the 'hopefully' means that if he gets a seat next year. Although I still think he has a good chance with the right amount of money.



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#3920 Blanchimont2002

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Posted 21 October 2014 - 12:28

Knot never said anything remotely implying a lack of talent. Not sure where you're getting that impression.


I was responding and referring to the tone of his/her post. They said Kubica shouldn't keep talking about f1, and that he is 'completely done'. I was suggesting that Kubica has perhaps earned the right to discuss it.

#3921 aguri

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Posted 21 October 2014 - 13:07

How much money does Guitierrez actually bring to a team?

 

Because from Force India or Saubers point of view, you could take a promising driver like Nasr or Palmer who also bring decent backing and might score some points. Or beyond that you could take big team loan driver like Magnussen, Vandoorne, (Bianchi) or Marcello, who bring some money, a technical partnership/engine, and will definitely score strongly. 

 

At what point does extra WCC points outweigh the extra development money a pay driver brings?



#3922 aguri

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Posted 21 October 2014 - 13:08

But I wouldn't mind Perez at Lotus, because it means K.Mag can have a year at FI and Button gets to have one more year at McLaren.



#3923 Vibe

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Posted 21 October 2014 - 13:10

Ditto on the lottery bit.

 

I don't know why Kubica has to poke his head in F1 anymore. Maybe self promotion, whatever. His time in F1 as a driver is completely done.

Because the man has the right to dream.I don't see why he should not keep believing.



#3924 anneomoly

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Posted 21 October 2014 - 15:22

How much money does Guitierrez actually bring to a team?

 

Because from Force India or Saubers point of view, you could take a promising driver like Nasr or Palmer who also bring decent backing and might score some points. Or beyond that you could take big team loan driver like Magnussen, Vandoorne, (Bianchi) or Marcello, who bring some money, a technical partnership/engine, and will definitely score strongly. 

 

At what point does extra WCC points outweigh the extra development money a pay driver brings?

 

 

It depends on how wisely you spend it I'd guess. And how many extra points that brings you (from both drivers) and how many you lose by taking a punt on someone with less money. I thought the general received wisdom is that an average driver with backing allows his non average teammate to reap the benefits of a faster car.



#3925 Nigol

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Posted 21 October 2014 - 15:44

Gutierrez isn't that bad, he improved alot this year..



#3926 Alfisti

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Posted 21 October 2014 - 16:01

FI have been weak this year considering the Mercedes engine. With the right engine Lotus could well be fighting with them.

That's absurd. 



#3927 Lennat

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Posted 21 October 2014 - 16:50

The Lotus has been **** no matter what.



#3928 emmanuelrubi

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Posted 21 October 2014 - 17:15

The Lotus has been **** no matter what.

 

Will improve but not a lot next year.



#3929 Gorma

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Posted 21 October 2014 - 19:29

The Lotus has been **** no matter what.

Well its not that straight forward. If you get an engine that is large in size, unreliable, underpowered, thirsty, overweight and demands a lot of cooling you are pretty much compromised in every other area of the car as well, not just the engine. The aero is going to be crap, the weight distribution is going to be horrible etc. 



#3930 DutchQuicksilver

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Posted 21 October 2014 - 19:48

Why are we debating wether or not Pérez is staying at Force India? I'm pretty sure he is.



#3931 Santosdf

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Posted 21 October 2014 - 19:53

Why are we debating wether or not Pérez is staying at Force India? I'm pretty sure he is.

Because Hulk was confirmed and Checo wasn't ?



#3932 jstrains

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Posted 21 October 2014 - 20:01

Grosjean could lose some backing as Total CEO dies in airplane crash

http://www.theguardi...ash-say-reports


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#3933 charly0418

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Posted 21 October 2014 - 21:48

Perez confirmed today in a sponsor event that he's considering Lotus. So it's public now



#3934 BRG

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Posted 21 October 2014 - 21:52

Grosjean could lose some backing as Total CEO dies in airplane crash

 

Why?  Do you imagine that the late CEO personally imposed the idea of sponsoring Grosjean onto the company?  If so, can you provide any link to support the idea?



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Posted 21 October 2014 - 21:59

Why are we debating wether or not Pérez is staying at Force India? I'm pretty sure he is.

 

Oh sorry i tought  this was Silly Season 2015.



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Posted 21 October 2014 - 22:08

Well its not that straight forward. If you get an engine that is large in size, unreliable, underpowered, thirsty, overweight and demands a lot of cooling you are pretty much compromised in every other area of the car as well, not just the engine. The aero is going to be crap, the weight distribution is going to be horrible etc. 

 

Tell that to Red Bull and Toro Rosso.



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Posted 22 October 2014 - 02:30

Tell that to Red Bull and Toro Rosso.

 

Brilliant chassis.

 

Key has done an amazing job this year. I can see him being moved up to RB proper fairly soon.



#3938 DrivenF1

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Posted 22 October 2014 - 03:02

Brilliant chassis.

 

Key has done an amazing job this year. I can see him being moved up to RB proper fairly soon.

 

Absolutely. I actually think the TR has been the fourth/fifth best chassis this year. He'd deserve a promotion  ;)

 

Wow, Perez to consider Lotus. Lotus will be a better seat next year than Force India in my opinion.

 

Lotus went down a wrong development route this year (they're trialing a non-tusked front wing) which has obviously compromised them significantly. The ban of FRIC has also led to some issues. Grosjean may be vulnerable then if the news is true which would be a shame, I rate him well (although of a fairly similar standard as Perez).



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Posted 22 October 2014 - 03:14

Absolutely. I actually think the TR has been the fourth/fifth best chassis this year. He'd deserve a promotion  ;)

 

Wow, Perez to consider Lotus. Lotus will be a better seat next year than Force India in my opinion.

 

Lotus went down a wrong development route this year (they're trialing a non-tusked front wing) which has obviously compromised them significantly. The ban of FRIC has also led to some issues. Grosjean may be vulnerable then if the news is true which would be a shame, I rate him well (although of a fairly similar standard as Perez).

 

Agree with most except Lotus being better than Force India next year. If anything it would be a side move. Pairing Maldonado is a negative, though. Very little to learn from him. I would prefer to see Perez along Grosjean.



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Posted 22 October 2014 - 04:20

Brilliant chassis.

 

Key has done an amazing job this year. I can see him being moved up to RB proper fairly soon.

 

agree, Monisha is probably still crying every night about letting Key go



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Posted 22 October 2014 - 06:53

Perez confirmed today in a sponsor event that he's considering Lotus. So it's public now

 

There is that possibility (of going to Lotus) is a reality, but my priority and focus is to renew Force India, I want to build, I want to have a second year with better results. "

 

http://www.excelsior...14/10/21/988176



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Posted 22 October 2014 - 10:56

The Lotus has been **** no matter what.

 

Indeed, but it's been poor for two main reasons:

 

1. The Renault engine has been weak compared to the Mercedes, and see-sawing (depending on track) as to whether it's better or worse than the Ferrari. From a reliability perspective it's been the worst, end of story.

 

2. They have a fundamentally flawed chassis. If you believe the team, however, they know what the flaw is and how to fix it.

 

So, for next year...

 

1. They have the best engine package (assuming Honda don't come out of the box super strong, and assuming Renault/Ferrari aren't able to overcome the full deficit immediately).

 

2. They *should* be able to eliminate the chassis flaw and produce a better base car.

 

I'm expecting Lotus to be firmly back into the midfield. Anything less is a big, big failure.



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Posted 22 October 2014 - 12:15

Yet, knowing there's an issue with the chassis and having the money, resources and talent to sort out said issue are separate things. No matter how many upbeat statements come from Lotus, there's never any mention of sponsorship or associated incoming moolah. Not much mention of people wanting to join the team either - quite the opposite really.



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Posted 22 October 2014 - 12:43

Have Lotus actually admitted what that flaw was? Still don't know how Grosjean qualified 5th for Spain and managed to finish 8th with a broken engine  :drunk:

 

I think he will stay there, he has no better options.



#3945 Lights

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Posted 22 October 2014 - 13:03

Why hasn't Force India announced Hulkenberg and Perez at the same time if they both end up extending their contracts?



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Posted 22 October 2014 - 13:09

Why hasn't Force India announced Hulkenberg and Perez at the same time if they both end up extending their contracts?

In the same way as Red Bull's announcement weakened Alonso's negotiating position, publicly letting other teams who may be pursuing Perez that there is only one seat left to fill at Force India instead of two weakens Perez's negotiating position with Force India in my opinion. They can save a bit on his salary now.



#3947 zanquis

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Posted 22 October 2014 - 13:51

With Perez is not so much saving bit salary as more increasing payments made by sponsors. Even if not everyone sees him as a paydriver anymore, it is still his sponsorship that they like also.



#3948 emmanuelrubi

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Posted 22 October 2014 - 14:48

Lotus will not be better than fighting for regular low point finishes.

#3949 Jon83

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Posted 22 October 2014 - 14:52

Lotus will not be better than fighting for regular low point finishes.

 

I suspect if they can get back to their regular 2011 positions they'll be happy considering how awful they've been this season.

 

As for Perez, I hope he stays where he is. Though given their previous clashes, Perez - Maldonado would certainly be an interesting pairing!


Edited by Jon83, 22 October 2014 - 14:53.


#3950 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 22 October 2014 - 14:56

New thread over here http://forums.autosp...i/#entry6935308