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#1 Tommay

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Posted 02 September 2014 - 11:07

If we take that mercedes SHOULD have got 1-2 every race this is what I think it would look like

 

Ignore grammar issues, wrote this out very quickly after the internet decided to disconnect just as I was posting the original post.

Melbourne: 

Lewis 25 points, Nico 18 (Better practice and qually for Lewis, also better start considering he had 5 cylinders yet had a better get away)

Malaysia: 

Lewis 25 nico 18

Bahrain: 

Lewis 25 Nico 18, Lewis defended fairly in my opinion, and tbh Nico should of never been in that position to fight considering safety car

China:

Lewis 25 nico 18

Spain:

Lewis 25 Nico 18

Moanco:
Lewis 25 Nico 18, it is my opinion, but the Merc have made numerous comments as well as the majority of the paddock who say that if Nico actually made a mistake it would question his driving qualities. Hamilton was ahead by a good amount for Monaco before the incident and had a better chance of getting pole  with his better section coming up. Pole was more then likely. He also got a better start then Nico from the dirty side of the grid. He would of won it.

Canada:

Lewis 25, Nico 18. Lewis was crowded out after a better start and SHOULD of been allowed room, Nico took rules into his own position (clearly gained an advantage in cutting the chicane) Lewis was ahead although a bad pitstop but the timing difference was little to the time Lewis had gained in his outlap. Lewis had already been disadvantaged by a bad pitstop as well. Lewis was in front fairly. 

Austria:

Nico 25 Lewis 18.

SIlverstone:
Lewis 25 Nico 18

Lewis was gaining very fast. It has been confirmed that there was no gearbox earlier (except from one upshift?) but it was not a recurring issue until it gave up. No time really lost due to gearbox Hamilton was on a better tyre choice and closing and faster and therefore was closing down V.Fast.

Germany:

Nico 25 Lewis 18- One race I haven't seen was- was away. Lewis brake failure caused the issue for him to be so far back, however it's so hard to judge who would of won I'm going with Nico who had the advantage. 

Hungary: 

Lewis 25 Nico 18, most disappointing race of the year for Nico, even though the bad timing of a safety car Nico should of easily been able to regain his position, I would say he was more deserving of the 4th place he got, which would of been 12 points. Lewis again with problem but amazing race to get back to 3rd, would of clearly won.

Belgium: 

Lewis 25 Nico 18. Lewis was ahead, nico crashed into him. It's laughable if you try and deny it. You not justify Nico being the deserving winner here. Again like Hungary you could argue he was more deserving of  less then 18 ( A DNF) 

Lewis: 286

Nico: 216.

 

Assuming Hungary and Belgium Nico didn't deserve 18 points.

Lewis: 286

Nico : 192

 

 

 I will continue to update  as the championship continues 

 

I'm happy to make changes if you can bring forward a valid point, however most people who are clearly bias (Strong Lewis fan or strong Nico fan/ Lewis 'hater') will more then likely be ignored as I've read some of the Lewis Vs Nico thread and some points I have seen there have been laughable at best.



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#2 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 02 September 2014 - 11:10

can you please do a 2008 ferrari no issues wdc? ;)



#3 baddog

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Posted 02 September 2014 - 11:13

Why do you need to take this rant out of the lewis-nico thread where it has been repeated over and over to another thread? So you wish lewis was ahead.. we all know that. He isnt. 



#4 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 02 September 2014 - 11:17

You're over estimating Lewis and underestimating Nico.

 

All the issues aside, look at the qualifying record between the pair. Nico has the speed, not outright speed, but he is can match Lewis.

 

He also seems calmer and more collected. Lewis CAN and DOES lose his head regularly. This has been a criticism (well deserved IMO) since 2009.

 

Nico, on the other hand, has shown his fangs this year and I for one love it - as I'm sure many of us on here do too.

 

If Lewis is truly that much better, he has the chance to show in in the next 7 races. 

 

As it stands - Nico is ahead by 29 points. One more (big) mistake by Lewis and it is game over.


Edited by Ferrari_F1_fan_2001, 02 September 2014 - 11:19.


#5 Tommay

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Posted 02 September 2014 - 11:18

Why do you need to take this rant out of the lewis-nico thread where it has been repeated over and over to another thread? So you wish lewis was ahead.. we all know that. He isnt.


Because this isn't a Nico Vs Lewis discussion ( else someone can make a valid point) what I want to show you is what the WDC would like assuming Mercedes had no issues, which I hope to get as accurate as possible (although very hard as we often never got the chance to see how things would plan out)

#6 Longtimefan

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Posted 02 September 2014 - 11:19

is there any point to this...? 



#7 Tommay

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Posted 02 September 2014 - 11:19

You're over estimating Lewis and underestimating Nico.

All the issues aside, look at the qualifying record between the pair. Nico has the speed, not outright speed, but he is can match Lewis.

He also seems calmer and more collected. Lewis CAN and DOES lose his head regularly. This has been a criticism (well deserved IMO) since 2009.


I may be, I try to create it from as little bias but I am a Lewis fan. If you can point out a race where you disagree I can look into changing it

#8 Tommay

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Posted 02 September 2014 - 11:19

is there any point to this...?


Is there any point to a forum?

#9 Tommay

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Posted 02 September 2014 - 11:20

can you please do a 2008 ferrari no issues wdc? ;)


I'll do right after I've done McLaren no issues 2007;)

#10 Ducks

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Posted 02 September 2014 - 11:27

Its F1 not iF1.



#11 sopa

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Posted 02 September 2014 - 11:27

This is going to be like 2012 - "unofficial Unluck Corrected WDC is Hamilton" regardless of the actual result.

 

By the way I contest that Hamilton would have won Silverstone. I think it is not so clear-cut.



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Posted 02 September 2014 - 11:28

Its F1 not iF1.

 

But F1 is if spelt backwards.:p Like somebody once said.



#13 sopa

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Posted 02 September 2014 - 11:31

By the way, looking at Australia or Great Britain, you can't predict race pace as a certainty and predict a result. So I see - Hamilton won Australia, because he got pole - you assume he would have had the race pace to win the race? Yet at Silverstone - Rosberg got pole and led, yet you estimate his race pace wasn't good enough.

 

Canada is also open - they started having issues pretty much simultaneously and in the end Hamilton DNF. Without any problems it is a tough call which way it could have gone. By the time Hamilton got the lead both Rosberg and Hamilton were already suffering from car problems. Also we don't know about Belgian GP race pace though Rosberg made a mistake there, so this would take the legitimacy of the potential "corrected win" away.



#14 Tommay

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Posted 02 September 2014 - 11:40

By the way, looking at Australia or Great Britain, you can't predict race pace as a certainty and predict a result. So I see - Hamilton won Australia, because he got pole - you assume he would have had the race pace to win the race? Yet at Silverstone - Rosberg got pole and led, yet you estimate his race pace wasn't good enough.

Canada is also open - they started having issues pretty much simultaneously and in the end Hamilton DNF. Without any problems it is a tough call which way it could have gone. By the time Hamilton got the lead both Rosberg and Hamilton were already suffering from car problems. Also we don't know about Belgian GP race pace though Rosberg made a mistake there, so this would take the legitimacy of the potential "corrected win" away.


From what we saw before the failure his pace was not great, obviously going to finish 2nd but at the rate that Lewis was closing down you would have to take a guess that Lewis would of overtaken. This is all hypothetical I understand, but Lewis was closing at 2secs, a lap with better tyre choice and probably better driving at that point. Even if we were to say they were Ben that race Lewis would have won because he was on the right tyre and therefore would of had one more stop with the right tyre.

Australia very hard to say, we have no clue about either pace due Rosberg having his engine turned down and lewis never having a chance. The fact is Lewis got a better get away, better qually and practice was better. Everything pointed towards a win.

Canada I found very hard and could of gone either way, my main reason for Lewis being 1st was the legitimacy of Nico driving (first corner incident and the chicane) yet Lewis always pressing and finding himself in front. However if Lewis would of got past without the issues is another question and could be interchangeable. Maybe for the durable scores such as Canada/silverstone/Australia I could put up one that put them within a certain amount of points?

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Posted 02 September 2014 - 11:41

Because this isn't a Nico Vs Lewis discussion ( else someone can make a valid point) what I want to show you is what the WDC would like assuming Mercedes had no issues, which I hope to get as accurate as possible ...


...by discussing the driving of Nico Rosberg and Lewis Hamilton in the 2014 Merc car and yes, there's already a thread for that. Please make your points in the existing thread.