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Poll: With the Caterham and Marussia news, will three car teams happen in 2015? (202 member(s) have cast votes)

With the Caterham and Marussia news, will three car teams happen in 2015?

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  2. No (61 votes [30.20%])

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  3. Don't know (67 votes [33.17%])

    Percentage of vote: 33.17%

Do YOU want three car teams to happen?

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#1 D.M.N.

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 14:40

https://twitter.com/...624381158125568

 

Adam Parr ‏@adam_s_parr
This is the last year of F1 as we know it. In 2015 eight teams will contest the championship, with several teams entering three cars.
3:34 PM - 7 Sep 2014
 
:eek:  Huge news, if it has any accuracy...


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#2 2014wdc

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 14:41

hope is true



#3 DutchQuicksilver

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 14:41

So end of the road for Lotus, Caterham and Marussia?

 

Though, as much as I prefer more difference in teams, at the moment I'd prefer an extra Red Bull or Mercedes over a Caterham or Marussia.



#4 steferrari

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 14:42

I don't believe it, but massive news if true, imagine silly season lol !  :rotfl:



#5 Viryfan

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 14:48

So end of the road for Lotus, Caterham and Marussia?

 

Though, as much as I prefer more difference in teams, at the moment I'd prefer an extra Red Bull or Mercedes over a Caterham or Marussia.

 

Sauber also.



#6 Topsu

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 14:49

Yes, finally! Marussia and Caterham have had their go. Give those cars to Ferrari, Mercedes, Red Bull and McLaren.



#7 Disgrace

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 14:49

It's particularly interesting that this should come from Adam Parr. Fighting the highly unfair way F1 handles prize money is the very thing that made Parr as unpopular as he was in the F1 paddock, and is presumably at the heart of why he quit.

 

There are four teams on the financial brink as far as Dieter Rencken articles are concerned, so I find this very plausible. As steferrari says, the most interesting (if superficial) thing from the fan's point of view will be how the drivers shake out.



#8 Myrvold

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 14:49

hope is true

If so, no Caterham, Lotus and Marussia/Sauber. Which, basically mean, that in case of a 2014 season, the podium is already decided. All Merc. And all Sauber/Marussias on the last 3 spots. So then the end and top of the field is decided. Basically much less chance for the bottom team to get any points, or TV-time, and will most likely go out of business. So then we are down to 7 teams and 21 drivers.
The question then is, will it be financial viable, and interesting for Red Bull to have two teams, 6 drivers, when you could have a team with 2 top drivers and one talent, fighting in the top. That means we are down to 18 cars and 6 teams. Merc, RB, Ferrari, Force India, Williams and McLaren. However, we all know that Mallya isn't always in the best of situations, and then using even more money, makes it hard to run Force India...

I do think 3 car teams would lead to 5-6 teams at maximum in the end. I feel a budget cap, or some sort of limit on the expenses is a better way to go, to not end up with a Moto GP field.



#9 artista

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 14:50

My questions (serious ones, I don't know the answers):

 

- Is that really Adam Parr's twitter account? Was he hacked?

 

- Where does he know that?

 

It would be really important news if true... and the resulting silly season would be mouth watering :blush:



#10 SophieB

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 14:51

Grim news if true. Would mean a lot of job losses if nothing else :(



#11 TomNokoe

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 14:52

Please no!

#12 noikeee

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 14:52

What the hell? This has to be BS. Not buying it yet.



#13 Masteroftheuniverse

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 14:53

Sounds implausible, so knowing Modern F1, it's probably true... :cry:



#14 DutchQuicksilver

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 14:54

And how about fair chances for smaller teams? I mean, with three Red Bulls, Ferrari's and Mercedes', the chance to score points for teams like Sauber and Force India would be even more slim.



#15 TomNokoe

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 14:54

There was a "spectacle" meeting yesterday morning. May have come from there.

#16 Mackey

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 14:54

This can´t be true. A huge change too close to next season. Is that Adam Parr´s real account?



#17 Disgrace

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 14:55

Yes, finally! Marussia and Caterham have had their go. Give those cars to Ferrari, Mercedes, Red Bull and McLaren.

 

It's crazy if you think this is good news. We lose variety and the top teams gain more hegemony over money and results. If teams with three cars quit F1, we stand to lose much more than just two cars at a time.



#18 maverick69

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 14:56

Lol. No. Although they're talking about relaxing the rules on supply from other teams.



#19 Nonesuch

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 14:56

Six Red Bulls! :stoned:

 

In any case, that sounds good. More importantly will be the question of how this will effect schemes to cut costs. With the weakest teams no longer around, perhaps we'll have a chance to once more see some proper in-season development. That'd be excellent.


Edited by Nonesuch, 07 September 2014 - 14:57.


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#20 kosmos

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 14:57

Nice, podiums full of Mercedes every race.



#21 thesham01

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 14:58

I think it would be exciting to see, for example, three drivers this year in a Merc.

#22 JHSingo

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 14:58

Surprised it hasn't happened sooner. F1's business model makes zero sense.

 

I guess this has pros/cons. Could see Marussia and Caterham being the ones to go.



#23 Petroltorque

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 14:58

If true I won't be following anymore after 30 years.

#24 Myrvold

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 14:59

With the weakest teams no longer around, perhaps we'll have a chance to once more see some proper in-season development. That'd be excellent.

Because Force India is extremely financially stable? Williams have looked very ready for a jump in expenses? McLaren without a title sponsor? Red Bull with 6 cars?

Yes, in a very, very short term view, regarding "wey, three Mercs, even more drama" - it's good.
When teams will pull out, and we lose 3 cars (or 6 Red Bulls), without getting any new teams in, well, it's not good.


Edited by Myrvold, 07 September 2014 - 15:00.


#25 noikeee

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 14:59

I mean seriously there's absolutely no freaking way this is true.

 

We have 11 teams, and 2 new ones have stuff in place to come in. I'd give you that Forza Rossa doesn't sound very serious as of yet, Haas does though. That's 12. How the **** are you going to get rid of 4 multimillion dollar organizations who have contractual rights to be in the sport? Even if you assume a couple of them are about to capitulate and there could maybe be the possibly of merging a few others.

 

Far too many strings would have to be pulled. Driver market would go insane. Also, apart from maybe Ferrari Mercedes Red Bull and possibly McLaren no-one else will want this as it'll ramp up their budgets considerably. How do you get everyone to agree on this? And on this time frame?

 

Impossible. Also, to state the obvious, it's not a verified Twitter account.


Edited by noikeee, 07 September 2014 - 15:00.


#26 Fastcake

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 15:00

That would be the beginning of the end for F1. I sincerely hope this is utter rubbish, and if there is any sense in the world there will be an immediate redistribution of prize money.



#27 S3baman

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 15:00

Well, I think in the current environment, this is welcomed. It'll provide more competitive cars and even more team-mate inter battles!! However, for the long run idk if it's the right choice for F1. This will give even more power to the current top teams and as such any new team that is willing to join the series down the road will have an almost insurmountable task.

 

Interesting developments to say the least, if true



#28 Emilvang

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 15:01

Ferrari: Alonso, Kimi, Bianchi

Mercedes: Hamilton, Rosberg, ??

Red Bull: Ricciardo, Vettel, Kvyat

Williams: Bottas, Massa, Nasr?

McLaren: Button, Magnussen, Vandoorne?

Force India: Perez, Hulkenberg

Toro Rosso: Verstappen, Vergne or Sainz?

Lotus: Maldonado, Grosjean, Sorensen or Pic?

 

 

Who could Mercedes poach? Di Resta?


Edited by Emilvang, 07 September 2014 - 15:02.


#29 SenorSjon

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 15:04

In the past there were more 3-car teams. Just allow single car teams as well. I don't see the fuss everyone is making. It is quite common in other racing classes to have 3-4 cars in the top teams.

#30 pdac

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 15:06

How does this fit with two new teams arriving?



#31 SamH123

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 15:07

Hope it's true but 2015 is so soon....  



#32 ExFlagMan

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 15:09

DTM for single-seaters.

#33 TheRacingElf

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 15:09

The only problem I have with it, it that is becomes even harder for the small teams to score point/money, if they have a solution for that problem I think this is a good idea



#34 P123

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 15:09

Three car teams is a terrible idea. Imagine this season with that..... It suits nobody but Bernie and the greed of the grandee teams (short term naval gazing thinking).

What should be relaxed is allowing teams to run with one car, or allow them to run with different liveries/ sponsors.

#35 pdac

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 15:09

Sounds  like a Bernie "What we should do ..." statement.



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Posted 07 September 2014 - 15:13

If this happens, will there end up being a push for points to go down through the field?



#37 Myrvold

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 15:14

Ferrari: Alonso, Kimi, Bianchi

Mercedes: Hamilton, Rosberg, ??

Red Bull: Ricciardo, Vettel, Kvyat

Williams: Bottas, Massa, Nasr?

McLaren: Button, Magnussen, Vandoorne?

Force India: Perez, Hulkenberg

Toro Rosso: Verstappen, Vergne or Sainz?

Lotus: Maldonado, Grosjean, Sorensen or Pic?

 

 

Who could Mercedes poach? Di Resta?

Lotus would be gone, Sauber would be there, De Silverstro, Vd.Garde and a random driver until Stroll jr. is old enough to drive. Merc. would prob. go for Juncadella

 

In the past there were more 3-car teams. Just allow single car teams as well. I don't see the fuss everyone is making. It is quite common in other racing classes to have 3-4 cars in the top teams.

In the past you could also enter for just one race, you could also run 1 car on the flyaways (sail-aways?) and 3 in Europe. It costed less, it was more changes from season to season, you could manage a part-time 1 car team, getting results and expanding. You could start as a part-time 1 car team with a customer car, and end up dominating (Williams). This is not possible today. You would need to commit to all races, and we would be more vulnerable to teams pulling out.



#38 SheIsDisaster

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 15:14

So end of the road for Lotus, Caterham and Marussia?

 

Though, as much as I prefer more difference in teams, at the moment I'd prefer an extra Red Bull or Mercedes over a Caterham or Marussia.

 

Marussia 9th place in the constructors' championship = lot of $$$

 

Sauber also.

 

Lawrence Stroll is looking to purchase the Sauber



#39 Masteroftheuniverse

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 15:16

Only way this could work is if you extend the points down to 15th. 



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#40 Fastcake

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 15:18

Marussia 9th place in the constructors' championship = lot of $$$

 

 

Lawrence Stroll is looking to purchase the Sauber

 

I just read that too. I hope that means Sauber will survive. They are a good team that do not deserve to be scrambling for money at the back.



#41 jonpollak

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 15:19

Simona and Susie get race seats? Hope so.

#42 Viryfan

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 15:20

I just read that too. I hope that means Sauber will survive. They are a good team that do not deserve to be scrambling for money at the back.

 

So does Lotus....



#43 johnmhinds

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 15:20

Sounds like a strange rumour to just blurt out on twitter like that. With nothing behind it?

 

And he says 8 teams with only some of the teams running 3 cars?

 

That would be a very strange turn of events if 3-4 teams (with new teams just getting ready to enter the sport) just dropped (or were forced) out of F1 after all this struggle they've had.


Edited by johnmhinds, 07 September 2014 - 15:21.


#44 george1981

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 15:21

Does Adam Parr have any close friends still in F1? I thought he was pretty much hounded out by Bernie.



#45 JHSingo

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 15:27

Simona and Susie get race seats? Hope so.

 

Hope not. There's far better candidates than those two...



#46 Ducks

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 15:31

Hope not. There's far better candidates than those two...

 

Would be a waste of a Williams seat, I think most interesting would be if Alonso got the final Mercedes-Benz drive :love:



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Posted 07 September 2014 - 15:33

funny how nobody else is saying it...in other words its nonsense.

 

 

can you imagine mercedes 1-2-3 race after race.

 

the gap would be even bigger.



#48 August

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 15:41

Even though there has been three-car and one-car teams in F1 in the past, I like it the current way of two-car constructors. I don't want 1-2-3 by the same team and three-car teams might have an advantage in the WDC battle over two-car teams. And I don't want three-car teams in a way of two works cars and one customer car, a customer Merc would beat the works Lotuses or Saubers.



#49 Doughnut King

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 15:42

I expect Caterham to go. Marussia is possibly on the ropes with the Chilton-Rossi story as evidence. Sauber is in trouble according to Kravitz. And Lotus looked like going under last winter and they had better results last year.

 

Torro Rosso was also put on offer some years ago and nobody wanted it. 

 

Haas appears to be the only credible person on the planet who wants in on the show. Everybody else wants out, wants big changes, or is a mysterious investor.

 

In all honesty, if F1 falls to that amount of teams and forces teams to provide 3 cars, then I think F1 will quickly enter a death spiral it might find difficult to pull out of. It would also do severe damage to single-seaters in Europe.


Edited by Doughnut King, 07 September 2014 - 15:46.


#50 MoebiusPT

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 15:47

There are several aspects of Racing that would need revision if one needs to add a 3rd car to an existing 2 car team.

 

First of all, it's not going to impact on cost of design, designing for 1 car, 2 cars, 3 cars, X cars is the same, economy of scale here, many other series do that.

 

Second, most of the teams candidate to 3 cars already have more than 3 drivers under contract, so picking a 3rd member shouldn't be a problem as well.

 

Third, it would be interesting for race operations, to handle 3 cars at the same time, probably we would see a broader dispersal of race strategies, also would be interesting to see if they keep the strategy of a single pit location to change tires for all 3 cars.

 

Forth and final in my list, some years ago, when there was this discussion of some of the teams having 3 cars, there was the point in case that for the WCC, the 3rd car or the 3rd worst placed car of each 3 car team would no score WCC points. Drivers could score for the WDC, but would not affect lower teams reaching WCC points.