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2014 Singapore F1 Grand Prix Sunday Race Thread


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#901 Ev0d3vil

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Posted 22 September 2014 - 02:12

Where are the lap charts? :mad: Need to look at that third stint!

 

http://www.fia.com/c...-prix-lap-chart

 

A bit of googling helps :p



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#902 bourbon

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Posted 22 September 2014 - 02:42

The JAF1Tweets account just pulls in headlines from all over the internet. This is the article you was referring to: http://www.independe...ur-9745906.html

It's the writer who comes to the conclusion you see in the tweet. Hamilton says nothing of the sort. It was pre-weekend as well. Pretty sure that account is a bot. :)

James Allen's actual Twitter is @jamesallenonf1

 

I know, followed it.  You are right, though, Hamilton does not specify who he is talking about and could be referring to himself.  My bad.  I assumed that he was referring to Nico with all the "seeing the real person under pressure" stuff.   That is what the journo made it seem like he meant, but since they are always twisting words, one can't be certain of that.


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#903 garagetinkerer

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Posted 22 September 2014 - 03:23

I'm guessing the RB's are getting stronger and stronger and the Mercs are not the most of robust of devices, so mathematically what is the best choice to exploit that given it is a long shot?

 

Aren't all teams optimistic as well?

 

Andy

Stronger and stronger? Is that why their cars were about 2 odd seconds per lap slower? RBR have gotten stronger comparative to other cars, yes. However, they (don't they all...) have a mountain to climb when it comes to Mercedes. Don't forget that Mercedes out-spent them all, and as far as i can, it seems like money well spent.

 

Horner is a smart cookie, nevermind what the lot here thinks. This year it is not like last year, where things were so close midway that RBR continued developing, not knowing what to expect from Mercedes, or their own drivers (as per one statement from Newey). Heck, i thought Mercedes were bluffing when they were making public statements to that effect. May be Mercedes wanted all to think that they were bluffing. May be Wolff was that naive, so as to tell the truth, but i doubt it. Most teams would rather just keep quiet and keep all remaining guessing, than give a confirmation either ways. Pretty sure that efforts towards next year are more than this one, at both RBR and Mercedes. What with some changes allowed, more gains lay there in tweaking the design of the car, than the one for this year. That when any gains made will carry over, but the PU lacks a fair bit, so it becomes a moot point, given Mercedes is reported to be 70BHP up over the competition (and that is going nowhere).



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Posted 22 September 2014 - 03:30

Absolutely not. Vettel is a ruthless man. I'm more surprised that the team didn't try to intervene.

Intervene to what effect? How does it help after all in larger scheme of things? Do you think that Ricciardo has a genuine chance? Just curious.

 

By the way, instead of being exactly 60 points to Hamilton and 57 to Rosberg, the gap would have been 57 to Hamilton and 54 to Rosberg. With 5 races to go, i sincerely don't think that it will be anything like 2007. Then again, given one of the driver is from that year's title hunt, does it make you think that he will repeat his performance from close of 2007? What about the other car/ driver?


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#905 garagetinkerer

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Posted 22 September 2014 - 04:09

I still think the 1992 Williams FW14 is more dominant.... the fact that Nigel Mansell was 39 when he was driving it.....And Riccardo Patrese wasn't so young himself either, (38).  A younger version of Nigel Mansell or even a 1992 Schumacher or 1992 Senna in that Williams would have been quite shocking to see.

Ferrari F2002 or F2004 is probably a more dominant car; I'd give the nod to F2002, given that it was still on pace in 2003 for a good number of races.

2004 Ferrari had its days, but then there were days, when others were faster. Magny Cours, 4 versus 3 stops against a demonstrably faster Renault, which qualified ahead by 2 tenths with what 3 laps of fuel over Ferrari? There were other days, when the car was vulnerable. 2002 Ferrari? Mind, i'll give that the 2002 Ferrari was pretty damned good, but nowhere near as outstanding as the McLaren from '88. 15 races wins, 10 1-2's... Surely the drivers are perhaps from the spectrum where Barrichello's name will never be mentioned, but, that '88 car was properly scary.

 

For what it is worth, this year's Mercedes has only looked assailable on one occassion, and that when they miscalculated their braking/ cooling and were limping along, on one of the hardest tracks for braking. It is the car that has been closest to McLaren of '88, and should have had taken that record, regardless of Canada. What to me is baffling and funny is that they didn't. Not just that, but they also managed to get dragged in muck while not doing it, by supposedly, their own fans. Hilarious.



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Posted 22 September 2014 - 05:12

Based on what? We've seen Eddie Jordan and Murray Walker tip him for the championship. I'd say that's being recognised for his efforts, therefore getting credit. Pre-season we were continually force fed the view from all and sundry that these new rules were tailor made for Nico and bad news for his teammate. I'd say that's getting credit and recognition for a perceived skill set too.

But when will Hamilton ever get credit for not being a fuel guzzling tyre munching monster....... nope, I hear only crickets, not a word from his most vociferous critics on such matters.

Oh, that?

It's still on, from virtually anyone in the paddock, from the german media (Surer, Danner etc.) to Jackie Stewart etc., up and down the paddock, basically.

You forgot the intelligence component there, though, Nico is way more cerebral...



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Posted 22 September 2014 - 06:06

I watched the build up to the GP on RTL... they did their best to make it look as if Lewis would be struggling with the the clamped down team-radios and whenever they were talking about who might benefit from that, you could see Nico's face on the screen.

 

These sort of things make any LH-win even sweeter for me. Knowing that an awful lot of "experts" were wrong once again in underestimating Lewis Hamilton.



#908 TF110

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Posted 22 September 2014 - 06:32

Theyll continue believing that bs because theyre the ones that invented it. Its spread to nearly every broadcast team. Its not only guess work, but pathetic bias. Lewis shows every race hes great on tire life, great on fuel saving, probably the best on pace and more. These pundits will keep on with their Rosberg more analytical story line because its the only thing that keeps people talking. Everyone needs a little controversy, thats how you sell stories.

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Posted 22 September 2014 - 07:01

I watched the build up to the GP on RTL... they did their best to make it look as if Lewis would be struggling with the the clamped down team-radios and whenever they were talking about who might benefit from that, you could see Nico's face on the screen.

 

These sort of things make any LH-win even sweeter for me. Knowing that an awful lot of "experts" were wrong once again in underestimating Lewis Hamilton.

Well Sky did exactly the opposite with that ridiculous little skit with Ted on the Mercedes pitwall. They made it appear as if Nico needed all the driving advice and then when it came to Lewis, the only message was hammer time. 



#910 Peat

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Posted 22 September 2014 - 07:21

Sky's (UK) parochial coverage is shameful.  



#911 Cesc

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Posted 22 September 2014 - 07:24

I don't know if it has been said before (probably) but the soft tire was CRAP this race, Hamilton was lapping at 1 .51 in a +20 lap SS compared to 1.53 and 1.54 in a +20 laps Soft one. I would expect the soft to be more durable but slower, but not to this extent.



#912 MetallurgicalHedonist

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Posted 22 September 2014 - 07:44

Schumacher was already a special driver in 1992-1993 seasons. He was a regular podium finisher in 1992-1993....


Yes, but if you compare, for example, 1992/1993 with 1996 (cars were similarly strong), the 1996 season looks better. With either no re-fuelling (1992/1993, 2010-2012) or no re-"trying" (2005), there is always only either zero win or one win...

#913 GoldenColt

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Posted 24 September 2014 - 09:35

In your face Christian, in your face...

 



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Posted 24 September 2014 - 14:01

I watched the build up to the GP on RTL... they did their best to make it look as if Lewis would be struggling with the the clamped down team-radios and whenever they were talking about who might benefit from that, you could see Nico's face on the screen.

 

These sort of things make any LH-win even sweeter for me. Knowing that an awful lot of "experts" were wrong once again in underestimating Lewis Hamilton.

 

They are all guilty of some sort of spin or agenda for certain things, but this one is a pretty funny example.
 



#915 HoldenRT

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Posted 24 September 2014 - 15:14

In your face Christian, in your face...

 

 

Christian seems to be doing ok for himself tho..

 



#916 Ev0d3vil

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Posted 24 September 2014 - 15:27

I liked the video by RBR.



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Posted 27 September 2014 - 00:39

I'll be happy with Hamilton or Ricciardo winning.

 

Rosberg non finish.

That's axactly what I wanted as well. And that's exactly what we got.



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Posted 27 September 2014 - 11:36

I watched the build up to the GP on RTL... they did their best to make it look as if Lewis would be struggling with the the clamped down team-radios and whenever they were talking about who might benefit from that, you could see Nico's face on the screen.

 

These sort of things make any LH-win even sweeter for me. Knowing that an awful lot of "experts" were wrong once again in underestimating Lewis Hamilton.

 

Sky Sports on the other hand, during the weekend, several times suggested that Rosberg would struggle with the clamped down-team radios, and I found several remarks by Martin Brundle about the 'driving advices' Rosberg got in the past downright unfair, considering the fact that Hamilton also has asked advice from engineers, but just in other words... I mean: I have not sat glued to the internet, but everytime I listened Rosberg seemed to get the heavy end of the stick on THAT channel...



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Posted 27 September 2014 - 14:34

Sky Sports on the other hand, during the weekend, several times suggested that Rosberg would struggle with the clamped down-team radios, and I found several remarks by Martin Brundle about the 'driving advices' Rosberg got in the past downright unfair, considering the fact that Hamilton also has asked advice from engineers, but just in other words... I mean: I have not sat glued to the internet, but everytime I listened Rosberg seemed to get the heavy end of the stick on THAT channel...

 

I don't really care about how other countries cover F1 but, as a Brit living in the UK, I really dislike the way both the BBC and Sky are always bigging up the British drivers. Why can't they be more objective. I'm sure the audiences would prefer that.



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#920 Cyanide

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Posted 27 September 2014 - 14:40

I don't really care about how other countries cover F1 but, as a Brit living in the UK, I really dislike the way both the BBC and Sky are always bigging up the British drivers. Why can't they be more objective. I'm sure the audiences would prefer that.

 

It's ridiculous, especially this hard-on for Chilton. My God, they're not even trying to hide it.