Jump to content


Photo

Mantovani at Syracuse and Rome GP 1954


  • Please log in to reply
10 replies to this topic

#1 JoBo

JoBo
  • Member

  • 473 posts
  • Joined: June 10

Posted 01 October 2014 - 12:10

Has anybody the race-no. of Mantovani in this two events? He drove a Maserati A6GCM.

 

Syracuse was on 11 April 1954 and Rome on 6 June that year. Photos…?

 

JoBo 


Edited by JoBo, 01 October 2014 - 12:11.


Advertisement

#2 Roger Clark

Roger Clark
  • Member

  • 7,500 posts
  • Joined: February 00

Posted 01 October 2014 - 13:38

David McKinney's book and notes say that he drove a 250F in both races - 2505 at Syracuse and 2502 in Rome. There is a photograph of the Rome start in David's book (page 21).  If the grid in the Black Book is to be believed, Mantovani is number 18.  the Black Book says he was number 16 in Rome.



#3 JoBo

JoBo
  • Member

  • 473 posts
  • Joined: June 10

Posted 01 October 2014 - 16:31

David McKinney's book and notes say that he drove a 250F in both races - 2505 at Syracuse and 2502 in Rome. There is a photograph of the Rome start in David's book (page 21).  If the grid in the Black Book is to be believed, Mantovani is number 18.  the Black Book says he was number 16 in Rome.

 

Roger,

many thanks.

 

Yes, it was #2502 at SYracuse and #2402 in Rome. But both cars were based on A6GCM-frames. We know this cars today as "250F interim". 

 

#2502 was later sold to Jorge Daponte of Argentina. I am also looking for his races with this car. He was in the Argentine GP in 1954 with it.

Its believed that he also raced this car in Brazil. Anybody? 

 

JoBo


Edited by JoBo, 01 October 2014 - 16:33.


#4 Eric Dunsdon

Eric Dunsdon
  • Member

  • 1,021 posts
  • Joined: February 08

Posted 01 October 2014 - 16:45

Roger,

many thanks.

 

Yes, it was #2502 at SYracuse and #2402 in Rome. But both cars were based on A6GCM-frames. We know this cars today as "250F interim". 

 

#2502 was later sold to Jorge Daponte of Argentina. I am also looking for his races with this car. He was in the Argentine GP in 1954 with it.

Its believed that he also raced this car in Brazil. Anybody? 

 

JoBo

I have a  photo of Daponte in his interim car at Monza in 1954.



#5 Roger Clark

Roger Clark
  • Member

  • 7,500 posts
  • Joined: February 00

Posted 01 October 2014 - 17:49

Roger,

many thanks.

 

Yes, it was #2502 at SYracuse and #2402 in Rome. But both cars were based on A6GCM-frames. We know this cars today as "250F interim". 

 

#2502 was later sold to Jorge Daponte of Argentina. I am also looking for his races with this car. He was in the Argentine GP in 1954 with it.

Its believed that he also raced this car in Brazil. Anybody? 

 

JoBo

I can only say that that is not what David's notes say.  He could be wrong, of course.



#6 wenoopy

wenoopy
  • Member

  • 648 posts
  • Joined: January 09

Posted 02 October 2014 - 09:08

I can only say that that is not what David's notes say.  He could be wrong, of course.

 

But I doubt it. I have seen no indication, in print or on-line, that Mantovani ever raced a Maserati A6GCM, interim or otherwise, in 1954. The "Motor Sport Racing Car Review" for the 1954 season, written byDenis Jenkinson, has Mantovani and Marimon driving factory 250F Maseratis at Syracuse, Bari and Rome GP's in the early part of 1954.

 

David McKinney's notes, in his 250F book and also in "Motor Sport" of October and November 1995, were based partly on the collection of about 8000 photos of 250F's(and 'interim' A6GCM) gathered by Barrie Hobkirk. Bearing in mind that no two Maserati cars were quite identical, one of many comparisons showed that the "2502" driven by Daponte in Argentina was not the same 'interim' car as the "2502" he drove later in Europe, which was Bira's former A6GCM(2504) re-numbered. The earlier car was probably a 1953 factory car very likely still with a 2-litre motor, and was probably dismantled later. 

 

Stu



#7 Purley70

Purley70
  • New Member

  • 2 posts
  • Joined: September 14

Posted 02 October 2014 - 18:18

At siracusa Mantovani has the nr 16

http://www.statsf1.c...d-prix-101.aspx

at Roma the nr 18

http://www.statsf1.c...d-prix-108.aspx

 

In italy, the newspaper La Stampa di Torino has a digital online archive, here the link at the original article in italian of Siracusa Gp

http://www.archiviol..._0014_22071554/

 

here the article of roma castelfusano Gp

http://www.archiviol..._0017_22079463/



#8 Doug Nye

Doug Nye
  • Member

  • 11,512 posts
  • Joined: February 02

Posted 02 October 2014 - 19:43

The relevant copy of 'Auto Italiana' covering this Rome GP at Castelfusano includes a small but good photo of Mantovani, driving Maserati No '18'.

 

DCN



#9 JoBo

JoBo
  • Member

  • 473 posts
  • Joined: June 10

Posted 02 October 2014 - 22:26

The relevant copy of 'Auto Italiana' covering this Rome GP at Castelfusano includes a small but good photo of Mantovani, driving Maserati No '18'.

 

DCN

 

Grazie Mille, folks!

 

JoBo



#10 Barrie Hobkirk

Barrie Hobkirk
  • Member

  • 133 posts
  • Joined: June 02

Posted 06 October 2014 - 21:50

Hello,

Yes, I have photos of both Mantovani driven cars at the Syracuse and Rome GP's.

At Syracuse, 11 April 1954 Mantovani raced 250F chassis 2505 with race number 16.

At Rome, 6 June 1954, he raced 250F chassis 2502 with race number 18.

Both are 250F's, not A6GCM's.

The later 250F mentioned, chassis 2502, has nothing to do with A6GCM/250F 2502, nor Daponte.

Cheers,

Barrie



#11 RAP

RAP
  • Member

  • 702 posts
  • Joined: December 03

Posted 08 October 2014 - 18:03

The 2nd Edition of the "black book" had tremendous help from both David and Barrie so that the Maserati data was substantially revised. Anyone looking at the 1st Edition should basically disregard all Maserati chassis numbers, although in this case it was in fact correct both as to race number and chassis number. Roger made a typo when he said above "the Black Book says he was number 16 in Rome."

RAP