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#1 fnqvmuch

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Posted 02 October 2014 - 03:45

if so I can't find - but have some questions, and would like a lead or two.



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#2 Librules

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Posted 02 October 2014 - 04:45

if so I can't find - but have some questions, and would like a lead or two.

How about starting here and see where it leads..........



#3 fnqvmuch

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Posted 02 October 2014 - 05:34

Didn't want to be starting anything unnecessarily, is all.

 

I wondered if there is any information about the below (and more about the Chamberlain 8 also shown in the set) to be found?

 

I suggested, in my ignorance, to the State Library of Victoria this might be a BSA -  mis-typed - despite the photographer's

 

George Thomas 1928-2013, a founding member of the Phillip Island Auto Racing Club (PIARC) and awarded life membership for his service.

With his interest in both motor sports and photography, he became a semi-professional photographer active at Victorian motor sports events in the 1940's and 1950's.

 

notes being handwritten; they've just rung and given me the benefit of their fuller knowledge, i.e. no. 

 

Barrett driving a BWA, 10th Rob Roy Hill Climb. by State Library of Victoria Collections, on Flickr

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and (?)

Alf Barrett driving a BWA chassis, 16th Rob Roy Hill Climb. by State Library of Victoria Collections, on Flickr

 

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 MotorMarques Dacre Stubbs Collection also shows the AY 186 configuration ...  



#4 Tim Murray

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Posted 02 October 2014 - 05:39

There are two earlier dedicated threads:

http://forums.autosp...-roy-hillclimb/

http://forums.autosp...oria-australia/

and it also features in a number of others, including:

http://forums.autosp...ian-hillclimbs/



#5 Ray Bell

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Posted 02 October 2014 - 07:35

The BWA was Gib Barrett's car, from my recollection...

I don't know if Alf ever drove it and the facial features shown seem to be unlike Alf's.

Also from memory, 'BWA' was the initials of the three involved in building the car.

#6 Dick Willis

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Posted 02 October 2014 - 08:54

Barrett, White and Ashton, not as it was sometimes known, Bxxxxy Work of Art.



#7 cooper997

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Posted 02 October 2014 - 10:30

The BWA is shown as above, from that #10 Rob Roy (King’s Birthday, Monday June 17, 1946) on the cover of July 46 AMS. There's a report on p20/21 with Gib Barrett listed in the results.

 

It comes in for an 'Australian Specials #5' feature in the Dec 46 AMS p12/13. 

 

The Chamberlain 8 had a whole book written about it, around 10 years ago. Although the July 47 AMS does have it as 'Australian Specials #11' p16.

 

If the State Library doesn't have them (but whether online???), I can scan if required.

 

Stephen

 

 



#8 fnqvmuch

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Posted 02 October 2014 - 13:08

Thank you all, plenty to go on with ( might be able to find the AMSs locally ) and should note being very impressed by 

the SLV photo guy who rang, and his colleague, who referred me again to Sims' book on the subject, giving me the names

Barrett White & Ashton ... but, while we are on this topic - 

are those two shots of one and the same vehicle,

were many Specials finished like that - and registered

and, finally, isn't that radiator shell at least like a BSA one?

again, thank you.

Steven

ps; would this be the earlier Chamberlain twin? 

http://www.jalopyjou..._n-jpg.2722338/

 

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Handwritten note in photographer's book for H2014.115/10: B.W.A. 2nd fastest time for day. H2014.115/12 published in "A history of Rob Roy Hillclimb 1937-1961 : the hill, the drivers, the cars" by Leon Sims, pg. 46. Caption names driver as Julian Barrett, with Ernie Seeliger as ballast."


Edited by fnqvmuch, 02 October 2014 - 13:17.


#9 Ray Bell

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Posted 02 October 2014 - 13:42

Plenty of Specials were registered...

The Klienig Hudson was registered (see photo P1 of John Medley's Bathurst book), Dick Bland's Ford (P57), Ray Mitchell's Jeep V8 (P67), the Ballot Olds, all sorts of front line race cars carried numberplates. The Les Burrows Hudson when under the stewardship of Bill Ford was driven from Sydney to Point Cook to compete in the 1948 AGP with a trailer in tow, armchairs therein providing the seating for Bill's brothers-in-law who accompanied him for the race.

In John Blanden's AGP (1928-1939) book there's a photo on page 137 showing numberplates on the ex-Zborowski Miller at Victor Harbor.

George Reed once related to me a story about driving the '51 AGP-winning car on the highway between Bathurst and Lithgow, I'm sure I've seen a pic of it with plates attached somewhere.

I would think that Alf Barrett's Morris Cowley Special continued to carry the same registration it had when it was a sedan (and almost won the race from Bathurst to Melbourne).

Edited by Ray Bell, 02 October 2014 - 13:55.


#10 fnqvmuch

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Posted 02 October 2014 - 15:06

Thanks Ray, but, while I try to find out for myself - was the BWA built from scratch, like the Chamberlain or Maybach, maybe - or upon a chassis that had been registered in a previous form, like many of those above would seem to be? (a Miller being an exception, i.e. built for the track)


Edited by fnqvmuch, 02 October 2014 - 15:14.


#11 Richard Townley

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Posted 02 October 2014 - 17:03

Bill Patterson registered the 'Patterson Brydon' MG TC Special as MG 000
The original plates still exist (a vertical VIC, with no white border)
Was this one of the first personalised plates issued in Victoria?
I think you will find many 'specials' were registered,
may be for road testing or driving to an event

#12 Ray Bell

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Posted 02 October 2014 - 22:17

The BWA had a fabricated chassis...

Using 16g steel, it had box sections 4" deep and a big X-member 'liberally drilled' for rigidity.

Thanks for letting us know the AMS issue, Stephen.

#13 275 GTB-4

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Posted 03 October 2014 - 08:11

Thanks Ray, but, while I try to find out for myself - was the BWA built from scratch, like the Chamberlain or Maybach, maybe - or upon a chassis that had been registered in a previous form, like many of those above would seem to be? (a Miller being an exception, i.e. built for the track)


So...fnqvmuch, are we building a replica? or fettling the original? etc