95 replies to this topic

[BillBald]

I just don't think that Jenson can survive in a team with Fernando.  Fernando got "burned" the first time he went to McLaren.  If he goes back, I'm willing to bet that there will be a clause or two in his contract that will define who the "boss" really is.

 

I'd be rather afraid of that. RD seems desperate enough, he might offer Fred whatever he wants.

[WitnessX]

I just don't think that Jenson can survive in a team with Fernando.  Fernando got "burned" the first time he went to McLaren.  If he goes back, I'm willing to bet that there will be a clause or two in his contract that will define who the "boss" really is.

Doubt it.

 

If Ferrari give him the "order of the boot" he will be in no position to dictate terms. They were not willing to change their principles or their own son to keep him - why would they for a "out of work" driver who screwed them in the past?

 

McLaren doesn't give a toss about the WDC, their credo is "winning races". To do that you have to maximise the possibilities and support both sides of the garage.

[AlexS]

The end of Alonso Era at Ferrari, only the announcement is missing.

 

http://www.gazzetta....638381899.shtml

 

It is the divorce

 

http://autosprint.co...divorzio/19331/

[F. Scaramanga]

Red Bull will be the car to beat next year, ...

 

No ****ing way.

 

Next year MGP all over again... 

[Antonov]

assuming Vettel jumps ship to Ferrari, that would give Kvyatt a massive chance in Red Bull (and Vergne could stay on)

[Fox1]

I'd be rather afraid of that. RD seems desperate enough, he might offer Fred whatever he wants.

Especially with Honda's funding and pressure. I think Fernando is going to demand a lot and he'll get it. I'm also sure that he recognizes that that due to his age, his window of opportunity is closing.

[vlado]

Expecting to win with Honda in their first year doesn't seem realistic to me ..

[Knot]

Fred,Lewis and Vettel are all under contract at their current teams for next year.

 

You've read their contracts, then?

[f1RacingForever]

All this talk makes it seem like it's guaranteed he will go to another team. I think he will stay. I want to see him win a championship with Ferrari and there is still plenty of time left. I would be disappointed if he left to another team.

[biljon]

As a fan of Fernando and Ferrari, I am so so sorry to see their relationship ending with tear and without titles. Alonso is arguably the best driver on the grid, he should have won in 2010 and 2012. In both years RB has a superior car to Ferrari and Alonso outperformed his own car and the actual champion Vettel.

 

I have a feeling Alonso won't win any titles at McLaren cos Mercedes and RB would lead the field for the next couple of years before Fernando's retirement from F1.

Well nobody really knows how Alonso cheated during 2010 and 2012 so it's only fair that Red Bull did win.

[SealTheDiffuser]

Renault was a works engine for them this year, having been in development exclusively with RBR since 2011...  it'll take a hell of a lot of money to catch up to Mercedes, and we don't know how much Honda has put into their program.

 

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Edited by SealTheDiffuser, 03 October 2014 - 21:01.

[Tosh]

All this talk makes it seem like it's guaranteed he will go to another team. I think he will stay. I want to see him win a championship with Ferrari and there is still plenty of time left. I would be disappointed if he left to another team.

Be prepared for a big disappointment.

[Lemans]

Yeah, Berger is a bizarre rumour, what's on his CV that would make him a good idea?

 

He plastered Ron's hotel room with pornographic images when he was at McLaren and Ron actually thought it was funny! Now imagine what he could do with a blank canvas like the MTC!

I'd hire him based on that alone.

[bourbon]

Any driver/team combination that wins fair and square on the year did the best job. That's all we know and recognize. Assessing drivers alone is a whole different story. But if you disagree with someone saying 'Fernando was better than Sebastian then and then', by saying 'he did not, let's put that myth to rest' then your reply isn't any better, you're just trying to make it sound better. Because you always have the success to lean on. But that means less than you think.

 

To whom?  What more is there than success in defeating all of one's competitors when you are discussing racing?  I propose there is no greater achievement.  It is the entire reason Alonso is set to jump Ferrari.

[SCUDmissile]

Oh god I'd have to warm to Vettel then? 

 

I'd love the Hulk, he could do great things, maybe even a Ricciardo at Ferrari?

[f1RacingForever]

Be prepared for a big disappointment.

I think everyone getting carried away need to get prepared to feel foolish.

[BillBald]

Oh god I'd have to warm to Vettel then? 

 

 

It's not so bad, you might not have to see Vettel's finger.

[Pingu Pi]

I think everyone getting carried away need to get prepared to feel foolish.

There's silly season, then there's this.

There's no smoke without fire, and right now there's huge arse ash cloud in view over the hills.

[Brother Fox]

assuming Vettel jumps ship to Ferrari, that would give Kvyatt a massive chance in Red Bull (and Vergne could stay on)

Or JEV to Red Bull?
Kvyat would be very green still to put in that car. People were questioning Ricciardos experience and he had 2.5 years.

[Lights]

To whom?  What more is there than success in defeating all of one's competitors when you are discussing racing?  I propose there is no greater achievement.  It is the entire reason Alonso is set to jump Ferrari.

 

Imagine Alonso jumps to another team who have a dominant car for years and Alonso wins several more championships in a row. Would you consider him to be a better driver in each and every following year because he adds another championship to his tally?

[bourbon]

Imagine Alonso jumps to another team who have a dominant car for years and Alonso wins several more championships in a row. Would you consider him to be a better driver in each and every following year because he adds another championship to his tally?

 

The best driver on the year in which he wins, of course.  That is what I meant for Vettel in 2010 and 2012 as well.  That is what racing is all about - winning.  It doesn't matter whether they are in a row or spread out - the point and purpose of F1 and any race series is winning.

 

That is precisely why Alonso is ready to jump.  He gets all kinds of accolades and perks with Ferrari, but he wants championship cups showing he was the best on the year in combination with his equipment multiple times during his career.  That is what all the drivers want. 

Edited by bourbon, 03 October 2014 - 23:23.

[Ikebana]

Oh for panties' shake. So it's almost done Alonso will join McLaren-Honda. Life can be so good.

 

I think Button will be his partner, but if its Magnussen it's ok too. I just think Alonso-Button is way more marketable though, I don't think McLaren should be bothered to have "young talents for the future" as other teams do as they've been struggling for so many years that I think their focus is more to hit the championships in the short term as a hammer. And to build that up I think Alonso and Button are a better choice. Alonso is great and Button can be a pain in the ass for competitors specially when he does his tire nursing thing.

 

Sorry for my English, I'm just all agog with the move I cannot write my post better.

Edited by Ikebana, 04 October 2014 - 00:16.

[Eff One 2002]

This topic is premature. There's nothing out there suggesting a move to McLaren for Alonso next year is a done deal.

[noikeee]

I think everyone getting carried away need to get prepared to feel foolish.

So every F1 journalist out there is getting carried away? Autosport are getting carried away? James Allen? Leo Turrini? Adam Cooper? Will Buxton? They're all making it up that Alonso's leaving?

[noikeee]

I would think the most straightforward guess of the 2015 grid (assuming 3 car teams don't shake everything up) would be:  

 

Merc: Ham / Ros (No reason for these guys to move and there is not half the bun fight inside the team that the world wants there to be)

RBR: Ric / Kvy (I'm certain RBR will promote from within, especially with the success of Vettel & Ricardo under this policy)

Ferrari: Vet / Kim (Unless they boot Kimi into touch for Bianchi, clean sheet of paper style)

McLaren: Alo / But (Think if Alonso signs on a 3 year deal, gambling with Mag would be a pointless exercise, so Button retained for experience)

 

And with the announcement Red Bull has just made, I think you were absolutely spot on.  Great prediction there.

[KingTiger]

I was hoping to see my man Bianchi in Ferrari but it doesn't look like it'll happen. 

 

Alonso will probably get a few podiums for McLaren but they haven't made a decent chassis in ages, and the Honda engine is more likely to be terrible rather than good, so I don't expect him to compete for the title in the near future. 

[f1RacingForever]

There's silly season, then there's this.

There's no smoke without fire, and right now there's huge arse ash cloud in view over the hills.

Meh I'll believe it when I see it. These types of rumors happen every year around this time. Same story.

[renton]

And with the announcement Red Bull has just made, I think you were absolutely spot on.  Great prediction there.

 

Wow, that feels, ehm, weird.

[renton]

Meh I'll believe it when I see it. These types of rumors happen every year around this time. Same story.

 

Dude, look at the rbr website and use some common sense...

[noikeee]

Meh I'll believe it when I see it. These types of rumors happen every year around this time. Same story.

 

You might want to check out autosport.com 's front page right now.

[f1RacingForever]

So every F1 journalist out there is getting carried away? Autosport are getting carried away? James Allen? Leo Turrini? Adam Cooper? Will Buxton? They're all making it up that Alonso's leaving?

That is how the media works. Once something gains traction, everyone jumps on the bandwagon. Lots of smoke not a lot of fire (facts) Doesn't make it any more true if half the world is saying it.

[f1RacingForever]

You might want to check out autosport.com 's front page right now.

Too lazy. Fill me in...

[noikeee]

Red Bull has just announced Kvyat is replacing Vettel for next year, and Horner made a slip of the tounge saying Vettel's destination is Ferrari.

 

And by the way that is not how respected media works. Rubbish tabloid media, yes.

Edited by noikeee, 04 October 2014 - 01:31.

[f1RacingForever]

Red Bull has just announced Kvyat is replacing Vettel for next year, and Horner made a slip of the tounge saying Vettel's destination is Ferrari.

And by the way that is not how respected media works. Rubbish tabloid media, yes.

Well it seems I've been out of the loop. Too busy... I will still maintain hope that Kimi is the one who is gone and Fernando will be there next year. I can't bare the thought of Fernando at Mclaren. 😂

[renton]

Well it seems I've been out of the loop. Too busy... I will still maintain hope that Kimi is the one who is gone and Fernando will be there next year. I can't bare the thought of Fernando at Mclaren.

 

Fred it is

[Boxerevo]

Bomb exploded too fast, no time for me to guess in the pool. 

[XAXIXAX]

Lobato said right now on Antena 3:
1- Alonso told Ferrari he was leaving.
2- Some weeks ago, Mercedes offered a swap between Hammy and Alonso, which Ferrari refused
3- Alonso is going to a winning capable team or maybe he's off F1 for next year

[Brother Fox]

Interesting that Merc want rid of Hamilton

[Eff One 2002]

Well, it seems given the recent breaking news, Vettel will go to Ferrari to partner Raikkonen (or someone else) and Alonso will go to McLaren, to partner Magnussen. I can't see them sticking with Button after how well Kevin has come along this year.

[Lights]

The best driver on the year in which he wins, of course.  That is what I meant for Vettel in 2010 and 2012 as well.  That is what racing is all about - winning.  It doesn't matter whether they are in a row or spread out - the point and purpose of F1 and any race series is winning.

 

That is precisely why Alonso is ready to jump.  He gets all kinds of accolades and perks with Ferrari, but he wants championship cups showing he was the best on the year in combination with his equipment multiple times during his career.  That is what all the drivers want. 

 

I see, so when it's about Alonso it is about the combination with his equipment, precisely what I pointed out earlier to be an important different.

Still, going by your first sentence, I assume in your view it's impossible to be the best driver of a year if you don't win the championship?

[SmallHorsey]

I see, so when it's about Alonso it is about the combination with his equipment, precisely what I pointed out earlier to be an important different.

Still, going by your first sentence, I assume in your view it's impossible to be the best driver of a year if you don't win the championship?

Bourbon can barely bring himself to even mention the name of the other Red Bull driver. Attempting to have a reasonable discussion with him regarding Vettel is an exercise in futility. All my opinion, of course.

[Fatgadget]

You've read their contracts, then?

More so given the fact that contracts mean bugger-all these days!

[HeadFirst]

More so given the fact that contracts mean bugger-all these days!

 

Contracts do have some meaning. They mean fatass lawyers can buy hot cars and cool women.

[Risil]

Interesting that Merc want rid of Hamilton

 

They'd have to swap Lauda too!

[Rinehart]

I just don't think that Jenson can survive in a team with Fernando.  Fernando got "burned" the first time he went to McLaren.  If he goes back, I'm willing to bet that there will be a clause or two in his contract that will define who the "boss" really is.

 

Button has no contract with McLaren so if he signs its a new contract. Button would never sign a No 2 contract, especially at this stage of his career. 

 

The issue between Alonso and Ron (other than loyalty) was about an assumption on Alonsos part and a principle of Rons part of how McLaren is run. I am pretty sure that McLaren will not change their policy to accommodate Alonso 2nd time around. 

[Sash1]

It depends on the question if Ron is still at McLaren in a leading role next year.