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[Disgrace]

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[Shambolic]

MY APOLOGIES!! I WAS NOT AWARE OF THE BIANCHI SITUATION AT THE TIME! REALLY SORRY FOR THAT!!

 

It doesn't help that the BBC were either blissfully or willfully ignorant of what was going on. The only clue I had there was something more worrying than a slightly bent Sauber, was from reading this thread.

 

Seems strange to me we had a safety car start, flag and restart, but it took what felt like forever to get a safety car then red flag for what appears, sadly, to be a very serious accident.

 

Half the race wasted through one thing or another, when it could and should have been started earlier. And to have it end with at least a hospitalisation, shows how trivial "x is the bestest" "no, y is betterer" arguments really are. I just hope the shunt was nothing more than a slow slither off in the wet, and a gentle bump on the noggin.

[LORDBYRON]

It doesn't help that the BBC were either blissfully or willfully ignorant of what was going on. The only clue I had there was something more worrying than a slightly bent Sauber, was from reading this thread.

 

Seems strange to me we had a safety car start, flag and restart, but it took what felt like forever to get a safety car then red flag for what appears, sadly, to be a very serious accident.

 

Half the race wasted through one thing or another, when it could and should have been started earlier. And to have it end with at least a hospitalisation, shows how trivial "x is the bestest" "no, y is betterer" arguments really are. I just hope the shunt was nothing more than a slow slither off in the wet, and a gentle bump on the noggin.

BBC are just   ignorant they have not even said he is unconscious 

[LeClerc]

I'm afraid it's very very bad 

 

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[HoldenRT]

There is an overriding feeling of "should have had the race earlier" but it was still a very good race.

 

Here's hoping for Bianci that he is ok.  That is the most important priority.

[Nigol]

There is an overriding feeling of "should have had the race earlier" but it was still a very good race.

 

Don't think so, could have happened anytime.

[AlmightyGod]

BBC are just   ignorant they have not even said he is unconscious 

BBC could not afford to spread panic with news from unconfirmed sources. It would cause pandemonium and leave F1 is tatters with live audio and pictures showing the state of Jules's car. The question you should ask is why the race director didn't show us pictures of the incident, if you can answer that rationally, then you can deduce the reason BBC were 'ignorant' ​ 

[Cesc]

What a GP/weekend. Absolute disaster from all points of view. If you know that there is a typhoon coming, why taking any risks? They could run on Saturday afternoon, more tight schedule, but in dry or with garantees that the race can take place. I'm ok with wet races, but not when there are so many chances of being so difficult and cancelled. In fact, if the helicopter can't fly, why do you let the guys race? And on top of that the worse accident in long time happened. Fingers crossed for the boy.

From the racing point of view was also messy. 1/4 of the race behind the SC is not very appealing neither....

[toroRosso]

i like how japanese audience silenced when the drivers talk and some dumbass european fan is booing his lungs out..

 

Man maybe the future is in east?

Edited by toroRosso, 05 October 2014 - 09:10.

[Nonesuch]

Don't think so, could have happened anytime.

 
Absolutely, and to take Brazil 2003 as an example, people continued to spin off at a corner where marshalls were on the track (with a mobile crane) even under safety car conditions.
 

i like how japanese audience silenced when the drivers talk and some dumbass european fan is booing his lungs out..
 
Man maybe the future is in east?

 
The future is the east because of the way the earth rotates, not based on how people act at an F1 Grand Prix.

[OO7]

Don't think so, could have happened anytime.

I agree with you Nigol.  There was a long period of raceable wet conditions and it didn't appear to get spectacularly bad.  There were rivers starting to form, so perhaps the question is whether the Safety Car should have been deployed earlier.  Charlie Whiting received barrage of insults here for not letting the cars race from the off and now I'm hearing the race should have been brought forward.

[OO7]

The future is the east because of the way the earth rotates, not based on how people act at an F1 Grand Prix.

I want to laugh at that Nonesuch, but feel it wouldn't be appropriate right now.

[Pharazon]

I agree with you Nigol.  There was a long period of raceable wet conditions and it didn't appear to get spectacularly bad.  There were rivers starting to form, so perhaps the question is whether the Safety Car should have been deployed earlier.  Charlie Whiting received barrage of insults here for not letting the cars race from the off and now I'm hearing the race should have been brought forward.

 

hindsight is a wonderful thing

[AlmightyGod]

 
Absolutely, and to take Brazil 2003 as an example, people continued to spin off at a corner where marshalls were on the track (with a mobile crane) even under safety car conditions.
 

 
The future is the east because of the way the earth rotates, not based on how people act at an F1 Grand Prix.

Can't see the funny side now, maybe after some good news

[femi]

I was wondering why Lewis was losing on average 0.5sec in the first sector alone, only to gain that back in the remaining 2 sectors in the early stages of the race after the SC. The timing app was showing real time the gap between the 2 of them. Looking back, it would appear Lewis was looking after his tyres and driving offline (to cool them down) at a cost of 0.5sec in that sector. He was thinking ahead. I don't think Nico drove badly, he just wasn't thinking about those tyres as much as Lewis and that beautiful overtake looked great but I think Nico didn't have the tyres to do anything about it.

I quite understand the team pitting Nico first, if they didn't, he was in real danger of not finishing second and I bet Lewis was informed and gave his OK. Besides, he had no reason to feel threatened by Nico today once he'd got past him. The pace difference was immense.

Jules accident put a real downer on what would have been a great racing day up and down the track in changeable conditions. Wish him well...

[Masteroftheuniverse]

I thought the race wasn't great, too much field spread, it would have been better had the RBR's not been stuck behind the Wiliiams' at the start, they could have challenged Mercedes and we could have had a cracker today. 

[ollebompa]

**** me, this is ****. He needs be OK.

Edited by ollebompa, 05 October 2014 - 10:00.

[Ryongsyong]

hindsight is a wonderful thing

 

It's not hindsight. He made the wrong decision two times out of two. He doesn't understand what's dangerous in a Formula One race in 2014. He thinks hitting a tire barrier is more dangerous than hitting a tractor.

[superdelphinus]

BBC could not afford to spread panic with news from unconfirmed sources. It would cause pandemonium and leave F1 is tatters with live audio and pictures showing the state of Jules's car. The question you should ask is why the race director didn't show us pictures of the incident, if you can answer that rationally, then you can deduce the reason BBC were 'ignorant' ​

This often the case with the BBC generally - they're not interested in bringing news first, as other organisations like to boast about, rather verified and accurate news. Generally why they're considered about the best news organisation in the world.

[PLAYLIFE]

Well, until Budapest this year... 

 

I meant at Suzuka.

[RubalSher]

I have a question. Here is the reg related to red flags ending a race.

 

 

Sporting reg 42.8: If the race cannot be resumed the results will be taken at the end of the penultimate lap before the lap during which the signal to suspend the race was given.

 

This race was red flagged on lap 46. So does this mean that the results will count based on cars crossing the line at the end of lap 44 or lap 45?

[anti]

Race: :: Pit :: Best lap :: Lap Chart :: History graph

[muramasa]

What a GP/weekend. Absolute disaster from all points of view. If you know that there is a typhoon coming, why taking any risks? They could run on Saturday afternoon, more tight schedule, but in dry or with garantees that the race can take place. I'm ok with wet races, but not when there are so many chances of being so difficult and cancelled. In fact, if the helicopter can't fly, why do you let the guys race? And on top of that the worse accident in long time happened. Fingers crossed for the boy.
From the racing point of view was also messy. 1/4 of the race behind the SC is not very appealing neither....

Because the risk never exceeded risks of any other type of rain. Forecast was always that typhoon is slow and would still be very far off from Suzuka hence never a threat, and no any certainty for heavy rain.

At this very moment, typhoon is still 600-700km from Suzuka, at race start even further. 650km is London-Aberdeen , London- Frankfurt etc.
the risk of rain has always been intermittent rain that can sometimes get heavier., which is same as any other rain.

At Suzuka today, the rain has been intermittent , sometimes stronger but mostly very light rain throughout the day. There were some short spells of stronger rain in early in morning and during porche race and driver parade and at the start , but that's it. Even when race was red flagged i2nd time it wasn't heavy and long. Since then, it's been no rain, no wind, exactly as predicted. Looking at radar, seems it been raining a lot more in Kanto and Tokyo area actually.

[HoldenRT]

Don't think so, could have happened anytime.

 

What could have?  Bianci?  I would have said the same thing even if it never happened.

 

Not just me.  Commentators were saying the same thing before the race even started.  And some of us here were saying it since Monday.

 

The light conditions were poor and completing a full race was always going to be hard.  It was a big risk and it was fortunate to have 40 odd laps at all.

 

Very glad they were able to have these laps as it was enjoyable, just a shame about the ending.

[muramasa]

What could have?  Bianci?  I would have said the same thing even if it never happened.
 
Not just me.  Commentators were saying the same thing before the race even started.  And some of us here were saying it since Monday.
 
The light conditions were poor and completing a full race was always going to be hard.  It was a big risk and it was fortunate to have 40 odd laps at all.
 
Very glad they were able to have these laps as it was enjoyable, just a shame about the ending.

Change schedule based on Monday info is ridiculous.

Today's risk isn't greater than normal rain days and it wasn't terrible weather at all today as I said above. Mostly drizzle,never the rain of storm. Exactly the kind of rain that you'd see in those boring, forgettable dull weather day, which sometimes happen to occur for those rain affected races. If anything during 13-15 was worse. Since race finish it hasn't rained for long time and now raining very lightly. Typhoon was south of Kyushu, that's 700km from Suzuka at race start. Actually rain was worse for Kanto that's 800, 900 , 1000km away.
Rain by normal low pressure and front is much worse, very persistent strong rain, like 2010 Suzuka Saturday, those Fuji races etc. and u can know these several days in advance too. Then you need to start rescheduling those such cases as well, as risk for bad rain in those pattern is FAR greater than today's.

[Andy35]

Because the risk never exceeded risks of any other type of rain. Forecast was always that typhoon is slow and would still be very far off from Suzuka hence never a threat, and no any certainty for heavy rain.

At this very moment, typhoon is still 600-700km from Suzuka, at race start even further. 650km is London-Aberdeen , London- Frankfurt etc.
the risk of rain has always been intermittent rain that can sometimes get heavier., which is same as any other rain.

At Suzuka today, the rain has been intermittent , sometimes stronger but mostly very light rain throughout the day. There were some short spells of stronger rain in early in morning and during porche race and driver parade and at the start , but that's it. Even when race was red flagged i2nd time it wasn't heavy and long. Since then, it's been no rain, no wind, exactly as predicted. Looking at radar, seems it been raining a lot more in Kanto and Tokyo area actually.

 

Actually that is not true, the typhoon was predicted to be a lot faster moving on Thursday and predicted to be over the area come Saturday even,

 

http://www.wundergro...l?entrynum=2816

 

It however stalled after that time and the worst would be Sunday, late Sunday and going into Monday.  

 

However, it's a no brainer that given that, the race would have a better chance on Sunday morning than 3pm in the afternoon.  It's not rocket science.  The support races were fine and if they had moved it 2 hours earlier then we would not be in this current mess. I said it before the race and now say it after. 

 

There's no getting away from the fact this was a poor decision I'm afraid. Formula1 constantly runs races in Malaysia or Japan etc where either thunderstorms or bad light can effect the event just for $.  Rethink is needed.

 

Abdy

[muramasa]

Actually that is not true, the typhoon was predicted to be a lot faster moving on Thursday and predicted to be over the area come Saturday even,
 
http://www.wundergro...l?entrynum=2816
 
It however stalled after that time and the worst would be Sunday, late Sunday and going into Monday.  
 
However, it's a no brainer that given that, the race would have a better chance on Sunday morning than 3pm in the afternoon.  It's not rocket science.  The support races were fine and if they had moved it 2 hours earlier then we would not be in this current mess. I said it before the race and now say it after. 
 
There's no getting away from the fact this was a poor decision I'm afraid. Formula1 constantly runs races in Malaysia or Japan etc where either thunderstorms or bad light can effect the event just for $.  Rethink is needed.
 
Abdy

No. Model by Japan Met has consistently been that it would stall and change direction at exactly where it actually stalled and changed direction, and that at Sunday race time typhoon will be somewhere southeast of Kyushu, or more about east of Okinawa. Never at any point there was prediction that it will be threat for Sunday. Typhoon's actual path was very similar to japan Met model made back in Thursday or Wednesday. Some other models other forumers brought here weren't far from japan met's as well.

Japan Met has decades of data and expertise and sophisticated system, and dedicated for and specialized in weather of japan. I wouldn't say they are always accurate or best in the world, but I can say confidently that if for japan weather, look japan Met's.

As for risk level of rain, I explained before. When the risk of today's rain isn't greater than that of any other non-special rain, how can there be any reasonable reason in changing schedule? Plus support races wasn't different actually, during Porsche race condition was same or worse if anything. It was "drizzling all day with occasional strong shower" all day today. For evening-night there was no rain and no wind. Just started to get worse few hours ago.

Furthermore, 1st red flag wasn't necessarily. Rain wasn't that strong, and I was looking at radar and could see that rain patch would pass very soon. Then just after they went back into pit, rain stopped. Then after that they wasted 20-25 min for no reason.

[Markn93]

 

Really interesting and enlightening compilation.

[Boxerevo]

Someone found Onboard Highlights ?