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Sebastian Vettel vs Daniel Ricciardo 2014 part III


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#1551 lbennie

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Posted 25 November 2014 - 06:13

You may need to open your eyes though  :lol:     Winning 11 out of 17 completed races is not great?    If none of them has been dominating or even just better than the other, why did they not each win 9 races?   Why did Nico only win as many* races with a W05 as Lewis won in a MP4-23 ? 

 

*or actually, one less

 

Arent you in the "Vettel is not great" camp? If so I have some stats for you from the last couple of years.


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#1552 lbennie

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Posted 25 November 2014 - 06:16

It is fantastic that Lewis won the WDC and the sudden and sharp denigration of his performance and ability is the icing on the cake.  Such comments make what he has achieved even more real, as it is what usually happens on these boards after a driver wins the WDC.  Brilliant! :)

 

Wait till he wins 4, it will get even worse, trust me   ;)


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#1553 PassWind

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Posted 25 November 2014 - 08:10

Don't know how Lewis ended up in here again but he did, he deserved his WDC this year. Like Vettel last year he had a car well ahead of the field, he beat his team mate well done. Was he the best driver on the gird? Well he had a bunch of different pressure than Daniel, he had a team mate that didn't lay down on him, so I guess he had a great year though there are still some of the silly Lewis man child mistakes, but his last race of the season was peerless, in judgement and execution. In the last half of the season he was exceptional and clinical even when losing out to Rosberg in Qualy. 

 

Vettel deserved all of his championships, he had a tough year. He has decided to move on, there were flashes of brilliance but no consistency, I wish him luck in the red thing. 

 

Dan well incredible first year in a team driving. I really enjoyed watching him race there is little left to say that hasn't already been said, he overachieved this year. 



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Posted 25 November 2014 - 08:10

Arent you in the "Vettel is not great" camp? If so I have some stats for you from the last couple of years.


You didn't answer his question though merely ducked it :)

#1555 DeVol

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Posted 25 November 2014 - 08:11

It's hard to gauge how much influence on results is car vs driver, so gauging performance vs your team mate often gives a clearer picture of how good a driver really is vs results against others. A few examples...

Alonso vs Hamilton, neck and neck. Alonso vs everyone else, ownage. Makes sense, those 2 guys are top tier. Hints of greatness? Absolutely, for both. And their results back that.

Hamilton vs Button, close but Hamilton gets it. Same for Hamilton vs Rosberg. Says a lot about Rosberg and Button, they're very good to hang with Hamilton but lacking x-factor. Says that Jenson will have his moments against Alonso probably. Hints of greatness for Hamilton? Absolutely, dispatched 2 top drivers.

Button vs Perez and Magnussen, Jenson gets them no probs. This again tells you how good Jenson is i.e. very good. Did well against Hamilton too. Hints of greatness? Certainly some, I think 1 world title is deserved and accurate.

Rosberg vs Webber and Schumacher. Shown up by Webber and clearly beat a faded Schumacher. Hints of greatness? You'd be undecided, and rightly so especially after this season. Results are following the pattern.

Seb vs Webber. Close in 2010 then Vettel runs away with it. Hints of greatness? On results sure, and if you overrate Webber, even more so.

Seb vs Ricciardo..... err hang on what's going on? This is a black mark against Seb no doubt. He's only been tested against Webber, a good driver but no world beater and on the decline.

Hints of greatness? Yes, for Ricciardo.

When tested against a young quick aggressive guy Seb just got shown up big time.

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#1556 SophieB

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Posted 25 November 2014 - 09:42

Please get back on topic, this is not a Hamilton vs Ricciardo thread.



#1557 stillwater

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Posted 25 November 2014 - 14:25

The topic is over

 

Sev vs Dan win goes to Dan and not by a small margin

The gulf between Seb and Dan was the second greatest of all 2014 driver parings,

with only Freds smashing of the over rated and washed up KR showing a bigger driver disparity

 

Lucky for Seb in 2015 he only has to beat a driver I would rate below Hill JV and even Webber

 

I do hope Seb trashes KR, I think he can and it will only make Dan look even better.

 

As for Dan, new fight next year, honestly I could not pick between the drivers, but I expect the RBR to slip further down the grid in 2015



#1558 Jimisgod

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Posted 25 November 2014 - 15:00

The topic is over

Sev vs Dan win goes to Dan and not by a small margin
The gulf between Seb and Dan was the second greatest of all 2014 driver parings,
with only Freds smashing of the over rated and washed up KR showing a bigger driver disparity

Lucky for Seb in 2015 he only has to beat a driver I would rate below Hill JV and even Webber

I do hope Seb trashes KR, I think he can and it will only make Dan look even better.

As for Dan, new fight next year, honestly I could not pick between the drivers, but I expect the RBR to slip further down the grid in 2015


Really? The only real threats to RBR are McLaren (if the engine works) and Williams (who are smaller and have inferior drivers). Ferrari is a basket case and everyone else is too small.

RBR will do better if not fighting for the WDC.

#1559 skc

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Posted 25 November 2014 - 15:03

All of a sudden I can't wait for next season. There's still so much to resolve.

 

I expect Ric to beat Kvyat but not necessarily because Ric will be the faster driver, I just think Kvyat will probably make a ton of mistakes as he's still quite raw.

 

But it'll be closer than Ric vs Seb that's for sure.



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#1560 sennafan24

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Posted 25 November 2014 - 15:07

Don't know how Lewis ended up in here again but he did, he deserved his WDC this year. Like Vettel last year he had a car well ahead of the field, he beat his team mate well done. Was he the best driver on the gird? Well he had a bunch of different pressure than Daniel, he had a team mate that didn't lay down on him, so I guess he had a great year though there are still some of the silly Lewis man child mistakes, but his last race of the season was peerless, in judgement and execution. In the last half of the season he was exceptional and clinical even when losing out to Rosberg in Qualy. 

 

Vettel deserved all of his championships, he had a tough year. He has decided to move on, there were flashes of brilliance but no consistency, I wish him luck in the red thing. 

 

Dan well incredible first year in a team driving. I really enjoyed watching him race there is little left to say that hasn't already been said, he overachieved this year. 

What a reasonable post  :up:



#1561 tghik

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Posted 25 November 2014 - 16:50

I expect Ric to beat Kvyat but not necessarily because Ric will be the faster driver, I just think Kvyat will probably make a ton of mistakes as he's still quite raw.

 

But it'll be closer than Ric vs Seb that's for sure.

Why would you think that ?



#1562 joshb

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Posted 25 November 2014 - 18:31

The topic is over

 

Sev vs Dan win goes to Dan and not by a small margin

The gulf between Seb and Dan was the second greatest of all 2014 driver parings,

with only Freds smashing of the over rated and washed up KR showing a bigger driver disparity

 

Lucky for Seb in 2015 he only has to beat a driver I would rate below Hill JV and even Webber

 

I do hope Seb trashes KR, I think he can and it will only make Dan look even better.

 

As for Dan, new fight next year, honestly I could not pick between the drivers, but I expect the RBR to slip further down the grid in 2015

Awks if Seb beats Kimi by even more than Alonso could manage....



#1563 joshb

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Posted 25 November 2014 - 18:32

Kvyat could go well against Dan net year as all he's ever driven are turbo cars in the last few years. Not a change for him- one less thing to adjust to



#1564 tghik

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Posted 25 November 2014 - 18:40

Awks if Seb beats Kimi by even more than Alonso could manage....

Ain't gonna happen ... unless I'm wrong lol



#1565 SophieB

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Posted 25 November 2014 - 18:50

The topic is over

Sev vs Dan win goes to Dan and not by a small margin
The gulf between Seb and Dan was the second greatest of all 2014 driver parings,
with only Freds smashing of the over rated and washed up KR showing a bigger driver disparity

Well, the topic certainly will be over - and locked - if no-one's got anything else to add about Vettel vs Ricciardo in 2014.

#1566 Arska

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Posted 25 November 2014 - 20:00

Vettel was lucky Raikkonen had such a miserable season. Or else we'd have to return decades to be able to remember the last time a WDC suffered such a one-sided thumping from his teammate.

 

 

1999 Hill vs Frentzen? Far far worse than Vettel's or Kimi's 2014 season.



#1567 bourbon

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Posted 25 November 2014 - 20:06

Does anyone want any other chart before the topic closes?  This is the F1.com numbers (except the final race which is reversed for Q).  Let me know.

10 in race = DSQ or DNF



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#1568 icecream

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Posted 25 November 2014 - 20:50

perhaps just set DNF/DSQ to n/a?  and then don't use lines on your graph (lines don't add anything anyway).



#1569 redraven9

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Posted 25 November 2014 - 21:09

Bit OT, but its funny to read back comments like these.



#1570 Ducks

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Posted 25 November 2014 - 21:12

Is that post from 2 years ago?

 

Someone should give that guy a medal, although the 2014 wdc prediction wasn't correct the Ricciardo beating Vettel was.



#1571 InvertedLift

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Posted 25 November 2014 - 23:44

I love how the discussion moves on to why in that scenario Vettel has left for Ferrari and who DR's 'easybeat' teammate will be. :D



#1572 MP422

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Posted 25 November 2014 - 23:48

Is that post from 2 years ago?

 

Someone should give that guy a medal, although the 2014 wdc prediction wasn't correct the Ricciardo beating Vettel was.

 

I wasn't surprised about Ricciardo, I don't rate Vettel that high and DR always looked the better of the two at TR. JEV is worth keeping in F1 so it's not like he was a one and done team mate in that match up.



#1573 lbennie

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Posted 26 November 2014 - 00:08

Well, the topic certainly will be over - and locked - if no-one's got anything else to add about Vettel vs Ricciardo in 2014.

 

Where is the best place to talk about Dan in respect to other drivers?



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Posted 26 November 2014 - 01:38

Where is the best place to talk about Dan in respect to other drivers?

 

This is not a driver thread and driver threads are banned.

 

As it appears that there is now little more to add to the topic and they are no longer teammates, it is time to close this thread.