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[LORDBYRON]

DRS and the Pirelli tyres are both a gimmick combined with pay tv F1 is a dead duck 

Edited by LORDBYRON, 15 February 2015 - 14:37.

[ANF]

I was watching this the other day @ F1Tech and it reminded me of many things I miss about the old F1... 

 

Bloody boring, DRS fans say.

[Gyno]

I was watching this the other day @ F1Tech and it reminded me of many things I miss about the old F1... 

 

 

 

What he said 9.38 in that video is something we dont get with DRS and these pirelli tires.

Also look how close they got to each other in those corners and then get into the slip stream to try and overtake at the end of the straight.

Today they can bearly do that with DRS and with the car behind on fresh tires and car infront on worn out tires.

Edited by Gyno, 15 February 2015 - 16:18.

[BillBald]

I was watching this the other day @ F1Tech and it reminded me of many things I miss about the old F1... 

 

 

Yes, we definitely need more safety cars.

 

How was that very different to Silverstone 2014?

Edited by BillBald, 15 February 2015 - 17:03.

[Gyno]

Yes, we definitely need more safety cars.

 

How was that very different to Silverstone 2014?

Because of no stupid DRS and pirelli tires that fade away after a few laps.

 

Schumi PUSHED hard for several LAPS at 100%, if they did that today the tires will last a few laps and then it's over.

[Atreiu]

What happened to that other very long thread about Pirelli and DRS?

 

Anyhow, Pirelli should worry about being a supplier, not an excitement enhancer. And DRS is basicslly an anti turbulence gadget which doesn't eliminate turbulence but makes the faster cars have an added advantage to overtaking.

[RubberKubrick]

Because of no stupid DRS and pirelli tires that fade away after a few laps.

 

Schumi PUSHED hard for several LAPS at 100%, if they did that today the tires will last a few laps and then it's over.

 

Apart from the Pirelli/DRS topic:

 

The car infront of him (Renault/Trulli) was incredibly worse than his Ferrari. Come to think of that: Although the Ferrari was last year's car, both Ferraris (even Barrichello) were fastest by a countrymile (especially in qualifying), he had still such difficulties to pass Trulli. He should have eaten him alive in THAT Ferrari.

 

Hence why the following clip, to my mind, is way more impressive and maybe a better counter example in this Pirelli/DRS topic than that Melbourne2003 example:

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=8gggI3kD_h4 [Senna vs. Prost vs. Schumacher in Kyalami1993]

 

The car infront of Prost was also incredibly worse than his Williams but in that car, it was Senna and not Trulli who was driving infront of Prost and Prost still could manage to pass him and did not wait until Trulli made an accident. And on a track like Kyalami, it was not easier to overtake than in Melbourne.

[turssi]

Regarding the Bahrain race and the Merc 2nd stints on the softer tire vs Kimi's 2nd stint on the harder one: Is it now possible to race slow on the option to make it last like the prime and what does this mean for the rest of the season?

Edited by turssi, 21 April 2015 - 21:52.

[redreni]

I cannot vote on this with the options given.

 

I supported the idea of DRS for many years before it was introduced, because I felt overtaking was much too difficult and I was naive enough to believe Whiting when he said he wouldn't overdo it, and that he would calibrate the detection and activation zones to make extra overtaking opportunities where they were needed but not to make overtaking too easy.

 

I now think I was wrong about DRS anyway, and not just because of Whiting's utter failure to step in and shorten the maximum gap at the detection point needed to get DRS and/or shorten the activation zones to prevent overkill. DRS was intended to make overtakes that were just impossible before, possible. What it actually does is make it so it's not worth trying a move anywhere other than at the end of the longest straight.

 

So I've been converted from a supporter to an opponent of DRS for that reason.

[RealRacing]

Overtaking is always possible, the driver following just has to wait for a mistake or create one through pressure. It's part of auto racing. If it was made too difficult for one reason or the other, the right solution was to attack the problem from a different angle, aero most probably, not give the following car an artificial advantage, simply because doing that negates the very essence of auto racing: evenly matched cars. Calibrating is not a valid option if you truly understand what racing should be as it still gives the trailing car an artificial advantage. DRS is and has always been a gimmick introduced for the fans with limited understanding of auto racing.

[RealRacing]

https://www.youtube....h?v=8gggI3kD_h4 [Senna vs. Prost vs. Schumacher in Kyalami1993]

A thing of beauty

[TheRacingElf]

Overtaking is always possible, the driver following just has to wait for a mistake or create one through pressure. It's part of auto racing. If it was made too difficult for one reason or the other, the right solution was to attack the problem from a different angle, aero most probably, not give the following car an artificial advantage, simply because doing that negates the very essence of auto racing: evenly matched cars. Calibrating is not a valid option if you truly understand what racing should be as it still gives the trailing car an artificial advantage. DRS is and has always been a gimmick introduced for the fans with limited understanding of auto racing.

Couldn't have said it any better. I can nearly only enjoy the first 2 laps when DRS is not yet activated, DRS has really taken away my excitement about Formula 1 (and since this year GP2 as well)