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[Tourgott]

I'm not sure if already known but there will be a new pit entry and exit in Sao Paulo this year.

 

At the long start/finish straight a chicane will be added.

 

 

 

http://www.speedweek...xenanfahrt.html

[Atreiu]

Hum.... okay, I hope it doesn't mess anything.

[Tommay]

Hang on is that the part of the track I think it is?!

[Timstr11]

Good.

I always thought the start of the barrier at the pit entry was dangerously close as cars run pass it at high speed. 

 

[BullHead]

The pit entry has always been something that needs looking at IMO, it should if possible be taken off the racing line.

What's this chicane idea then?

[ollebompa]

Sounds good. I see no evidence of a chicane though, hope i'm right.

[Tourgott]

Sounds good. I see no evidence of a chicane though, hope i'm right.

 

Stated in the article:

 

 

Es wird auch eine andere Boxeneinfahrt gebaut. Statt der brandgefählich-schnellen Anfahrt wird es eine Schikane geben, welche die Piloten aus der «Curva Café» anbremsen müssen, um dann Richtung Box zu zuckeln.

Curva Café, das sagt Ihnen nichts? Kein Wunder – die meisten haben den alten Namen für den schnellen Linksbogen zurück zu Start und Ziel längst vergessen. Die meisten nennen die Passage «Subida dos Boxes», Anstieg zu den Boxen. Curva Café hiess die Ecke damals, weil unterhalb der schnellen Kurve die Rennberichterstatter dort (mit herrlicher Sicht über fast die ganze Strecke) einen Kaffee zu trinken pflegten und die Rennfahrer den Kaffeegeruch sogar im Auto wahrnahmen!

Die Boxengasse selber ist breiter gestaltet worden, auch die Boxenausfahrt ins Senna-S hinein ist geändert und soll daher sicherer sein.

[Timstr11]

I read somewhere the entry will simply be moved further towards the pit boxes.

[midgrid]

You can see the chicane at the pit entry in the second photo of the OP, although I'm not sure if it's actually part of the racetrack that was modified for certain categories after the fatalities that have occurred there in recent years in Stock Car Brasil.  That change of elevation is impressive; even more so than Abu Dhabi!  It might be difficult for ailing cars to return to the pits...

[lustigson]

That chicane was already there, right? Wasn't it put in place after one of the last fatal accidents in Brazilian touring car racing?

[JeePee]

That chicane Midgrid isn't new. It has been there for quite a while, only behind the wall.

 

Edit: lustigson beat me to it.

Edited by JeePee, 17 October 2014 - 07:30.

[kraduk]

Ah i get it the entry to the pits is before the left hander onto the start/finish curve (the bit diving down in the 2nd pic). Presumably the chicane is somewhere along this road to protect the pit crews etc

[alfa1]

Lots of pics at the website for the circuit:

 

http://www.autodromo...-fotos/?lang=en

 

Entire circuit has been resurfaced. Pit lane gets a new surface.

And it looks like turn 10 (the tight right hander) now gets a tarmac runoff area.

Edited by alfa1, 17 October 2014 - 08:21.

[Rinehart]

I think there is some misinformation here.

There are new tarmac run off areas but no changes to the GP (international) layout? 

[BobbyRicky]

So, Kimi is going to get lost again?

[ollebompa]

I think the chicane is part of the new pitentry and not the track.

[Schuttelberg]

Very smart move. I've always feared some catastrophe to occur there.

[saudoso]

I'm confused: did they move the pit's to the opposite straight or not?

[Tourgott]

No, according to speedweek the new pit entry will be after the last turn, the "Curva Cafe" (where Kimi got lost) and there will be a chicane which is part of the new pit entry.

Pit exit also has been changed but no further information on this.

Edited by Tourgott, 17 October 2014 - 09:29.

[SirT]

There will be a new pit complex in 2015 aswell apparantly as part of bringing Interlagos up to standards and not losing the GP to another venue.

 

I'm interested at the pitlane loss time with the new layout, it seems its going to be very long pitlane so could effect strategy a lot.

[Brackets]

What you’re seeing in those early pics in just the ground work to put a massive retainer wall next to the lower first righthanded hairpin, so that a wider flat area becomes available next to the pit entry, which is where I suppose this new chicane will be built. This pic shows it better:



They’re not ~really~ making a downhill pit entry (which would only end up on the access-road of the infield anyway).


But now wait just a second, what the hell is this:



And some time later:



Please confirm they’re not ~really~ shortcutting that corner (for F1)!? Complete and utter idiocy if they are…

Edited by Brackets, 17 October 2014 - 09:40.

[ExFlagMan]

I thought Kimi got lost by going straight on at the first turn.

[Brackets]

I thought Kimi got lost by going straight on at the first turn.

Na'h, penultimate corner. Kimi's line:




(I may have overdone it on the initial spin)

[SPBHM]

as far as I know the track layout is not touched, just new runoffs and changed pit entry/exit 

there is now a huge runoff area on the Senna S at the pit exit, and the pit entry is different and demanded this on the other side

 

[LeMans86]

I though they were going to build a complete new pitlane on the other straight of the circuit coming years? Glad the didn't though.

[Brackets]

as far as I know the track layout is not touched

That’s what we’ve been told, but the pics I quoted clearly show a bypassed hairpin. I know that corner was slow, and took the flow out of the track, but that is ~exactly~ why I liked it so much. Sort of like Interlagos' very own busstop-chicane (which is gone too, of course…).

[Ellios]

Resurfaced track, hopefully Pirelli get the right tyre combinations for the race. I didn't mind so much for Sochi, but I wouldn't want a repeat again this year

[Jon83]

Always good to get some extra run-offs

[saudoso]

That’s what we’ve been told, but the pics I quoted clearly show a bypassed hairpin. I know that corner was slow, and took the flow out of the track, but that is ~exactly~ why I liked it so much. Sort of like Interlagos' very own busstop-chicane (which is gone too, of course…).

Those two pictures are not of the same turn, the surroundings are all wrong.

[Gilles4Ever]

Resurfaced track, hopefully Pirelli get the right tyre combinations for the race. I didn't mind so much for Sochi, but I wouldn't want a repeat again this year

 

Jon Noble @NobleF1

Pirelli has changed its tyre compound choice for Brazilian GP after concerns expressed by Felipe Massa. Full story soon

 

Tyres will now be medium and soft.

[Jackmancer]

The Grand Prix won't use that chicane, right?

[SPBHM]

I though they were going to build a complete new pitlane on the other straight of the circuit coming years? Glad the didn't though.

 

the current plan is to build a new one on the same place, the idea of new location was discarded because of some negative opinions and cost to keep the 2 buildings.

 

the bypass is not for F1, the layout remains the same, as far as I know the bypass is maybe for motorcycle racing

[August]

  

That chicane you can see was used at the pit lane entry in the 90s. The pit entry was after Curva do Cafe. The touring car chicane is before Curva do Cafe.

But now wait just a second, what the hell is this:And some time later:Please confirm they’re not ~really~ shortcutting that corner (for F1)!? Complete and utter idiocy if they are…

Would it be a shortcut for bikes because of the limited runoff? There's similar e.g. at New Delhi's T4 and at Shanghai at the hairpin before the long esses.

[August]

Those two pictures are not of the same turn, the surroundings are all wrong.

I think it's the same, only a different angle.

[Brackets]

Those two pictures are not of the same turn, the surroundings are all wrong.

In both pics you can see the same Pie-Shaped Really Big Pile of Dirt in the same spot, but obviously from a different perspective, so I’m fairly certain we’re twice seeing the slow hairpin being shortcut. Here’s an earlier pic:



I’ve even gone all CIA on it all, with a bit of NSA on the side:



I’m outraged if that new line is to be used for F1. I’m also outraged that you can’t tilt text in MS-Paint in random angles, but I digress…


(But let’s assume for the sake of argument it IS different corners. That would make it ~two~ track changes (for the worst, of course, as it always goes)….)

[JeePee]

100% it's the same hairpin. No single doubt about it.

[saudoso]

On the first picture (the area repeated as a dig in the post above) the new tarmac is not blending with the original track around the apex, so it could be some auxiliary track or escape path.

Edited by saudoso, 17 October 2014 - 11:46.

[Brackets]

On the first picture (the area repeated as a dig in the post above) the new tarmac is not blending with the original track around the apex, so it could be some auxiliary track or escape path.

You mean an overtaking lane for Nico Rosberg ;)?

Nah, the asphalt is not blending since the original track is not yet resurfaced in those pictures. They're not really going to keep knife-sharp edges on curbs...

I'm okay with the explanantion that it's for bike racing (and/or other classes), but some confirmation would be nice.

[Victor_RO]

Would it be a shortcut for bikes because of the limited runoff? There's similar e.g. at New Delhi's T4 and at Shanghai at the hairpin before the long esses.

 

The shortcut at the Rettifilio chicane at Monza seems to be in the same vein as those and as this modification, but yes, we need some confirmation on this.

[Frank Tuesday]

JOKER LANE!!!!

[Spillage]

Sounds like a positive change. Glad to hear the chicane is in the pits and that the fantastic run down to turn 1 is unchanged.

[GaryLandyfan]

On the first picture (the area repeated as a dig in the post above) the new tarmac is not blending with the original track around the apex, so it could be some auxiliary track or escape path.

The surface you are seeing here is not the final track surface. This is the surface left after the original tarmac has been removed (look at the surface, you can see the lines the tarmac removal machine has left), when the new tarmac is put down they will be level presumably.

 

Doesn't mean that the F1 race there will use this configuration, just that the track has different layouts for use during different events. 

[Myrvold]

I think the chicane is part of the new pitentry and not the track.

Nah, I think that's the chicane "every" other class than F1 uses.

[saudoso]

It's there, green and yellow curbs still there, some dirt and grass. It is an auxiliary track.

[Longtimefan]

Another legendary track ruined.. way to go guys, way to go.. 

[pacificquay]

Ruined how? The F1 layout is unchanged

[Tourgott]

http://www.motorspor...rt-entschaerft/

[Schuttelberg]

Another legendary track ruined.. way to go guys, way to go.. 

 

What a joke. I know F1 has made some unpopular decisions in the past few years, altering some legendary tracks or placing run offs instead of gravel in places that require a bit of 'balls', but even the most casual F1 fan, or someone who's ever driven the track on a video game will tell you that, that pit entry, corner whatever you want to call it, was an accident waiting to happen. Motorsport is dangerous. Jules' accident is a very strong reminder that even in this very 'safety dominated' era, if you have tiny loopholes, a series of circumstances can lead to disaster. I think, motorsport will never be absolutely bullet proof, but the endeavour to make it as safe as possible should never stop. This is not about putting the SC out there every time we have a bit of rain, this is about 15 cars traveling at speeds well over 300 km/ph exposed to a guard rail. These guys drive very sophisticated on the edge machines, which are always on the edge. Throw in some adrenaline, human error, bad weather, etc. etc. and it's disaster waiting. 

 

We should keep reminding ourselves, that these drivers know the risks of racing, but loss of life is never pleasant, whoever it may be. It's a sport, we love it, but it's not above someone's life. 

[Peter Perfect]

I still can't tell from the pictures what's happened to the pit entry (as opposed to the changes to the pit lane). Is it still the same?

[Tourgott]

How can you not tell?