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Las Vegas Grand Prix?

Started by AustinF1 , Oct 17 2014 21:57

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#151 kevinracefan

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Posted 15 December 2017 - 15:49

Las Vegas GP?

http://www.independe...ip-9803084.html

that's a 3 year old article...

bernie's not involved anymore...

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#152 kevinracefan

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Posted 15 December 2017 - 15:49

that's a 3 year old article...

bernie's not involved anymore...

I just noticed it's a 3 year old post, as well..

D'oooohhh...

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#153 loki

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Posted 15 December 2017 - 18:04

I just noticed it's a 3 year old post, as well..

D'oooohhh...

What revived the thread was a trademark filing recently by FOM implying there would be a GP.

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#154 Ramon69

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Posted 15 December 2017 - 19:35

The FIA released the design of the Circuit:

Edited by Ramon69, 15 December 2017 - 19:35.

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#155 spacekid

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Posted 15 December 2017 - 20:11

Needs more chicanes. Otherwise good.

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#156 loki

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Posted 16 December 2017 - 08:15

The FIA released the design of the Circuit:

That bit off the main straight at the top, is that pit lane or is that for the joker lap? That's what F1 needs, the introduction of a joker lap...

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#157 PayasYouRace

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Posted 16 December 2017 - 08:16

Joker laps are just compulsory pit stops for series that don’t have pits at all.

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#158 kevinracefan

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Posted 18 December 2017 - 14:58

What revived the thread was a trademark filing recently by FOM implying there would be a GP.

after looking at the track map (is that for real?), I can only think of a song by Supertramp...

dreamer, you're nothing but a dreamer...

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#159 loki

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Posted 19 December 2017 - 01:06

after looking at the track map (is that for real?), I can only think of a song by Supertramp...

Yes it's for real. It was approved by the FIA this morning. The race is going to be called the "Kevinracefan doesn't get the jokes" Grand Prix of Las Vegas...

There is no race. There is no track. No one in town that would have to agree to it has been approached. We'd welcome an event but so far nothing has happened on this end.

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#160 kevinracefan

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Posted 19 December 2017 - 19:34

Yes it's for real. It was approved by the FIA this morning. The race is going to be called the "Kevinracefan doesn't get the jokes" Grand Prix of Las Vegas...

There is no race. There is no track. No one in town that would have to agree to it has been approached. We'd welcome an event but so far nothing has happened on this end.

I'd buy tix for that..

actually, when I win powerball, I'm building a track at the Hoover dam...

that way every race can suck..

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#161 aportinga

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Posted 20 December 2017 - 17:15

Well Long Beach is set for ICS so if F1 wants a viable go at another course then they I would argue it's going to be a street race. May as well be at night because there is nothing like that in the States right now.

Again my vote would be for Miami for some glitz but I also think Milwaukee could sustain a well rounded night time event. Lots of OW fans in the mid-west.

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#162 kevinracefan

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Posted 20 December 2017 - 17:25

Milwaukee could sustain a well rounded night time event. Lots of OW fans in the mid-west.

while that may be quite true, "furiners" and Americans aren't going to make Milwaukee a vacation destination... (Same reason Road America isn't considered, aside from the renovation required) Chicago is in region but who wants to vacation in the murder capital of U S ? Enough of that in Brazil, LOL...

Miami could work well...

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#163 aportinga

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Posted 20 December 2017 - 18:24

I don't think any town needs to be a vacation destination so long as they can sell tickets and the businesses within the city can get behind the effort and make money.

Chicago is just down the road. F1 could advertise at Ohare and Union/Olgivie Stations. Charter bus packages could shuttle fans from Chicago to Milwaukee and offer drink specials (party bus).

So actually people could make a vacation on it. Hell put it the weekend before or after ICS at RA and folks coming from overseas can see two great shows.

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#164 kevinracefan

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Posted 20 December 2017 - 18:32

I don't think any town needs to be a vacation destination

the people who invest heavily to promote races disagree... this is F1, not sprint cars

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#165 aportinga

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Posted 20 December 2017 - 19:11

the people who invest heavily to promote races disagree... this is F1, not sprint cars

I must have missed that explicit statement - can you share a link?

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#166 kevinracefan

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Posted 20 December 2017 - 19:16

I must have missed that explicit statement - can you share a link?

I could if I felt like searching..

let google be your friend.. it's out there

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#167 aportinga

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Posted 20 December 2017 - 20:18

Well that's a way to drive home a point.

I'll pass thanks.

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#168 August

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Posted 20 December 2017 - 21:30

I'm starting to think IMS is the best place for F1 in the USA.

F1 used to be well-attended there. Way bigger attendance than for NASCAR's Brickyard 400.

American IndyCar fans seem to be more open-minded about F1 while NASCAR is the big evil. (While European IndyCar fans seem to be more open-minded about NASCAR and more critical about F1.) My impression of the Indiana people (based on message boards and Twitter) is that many would like to see F1 returning to the IMS.

If Liberty Media was fine with F1 being only the second-biggest event at the venue, I think IMS would offer the best chances for a successful event. That being said, IMS already has its big event, they aren't going to pay a huge sanctioning fee for a race if it makes no financial sense.

That being said, would F1 at IMS offer the big nationwide publicity Liberty is looking for? I'm not totally sure. It's the most famous racing venue, at least in the USA, though even the 500 is struggling with its TV ratings. Then again, would any of those street races become permanent fixtures in the schedule? Vegas is world-famous even without F1. So is also NY, plus there will surely be residents opposing a street race and the associated street closures. Same with Miami.

But if F1 wants a well-attended event in the USA, then IMS would be the best venue for it.

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#169 loki

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Posted 21 December 2017 - 04:42

Well that's a way to drive home a point.

I'll pass thanks.

Here's one, he's been saying the same thing more or less for a year... (emphasis mine)

“We would like to add a destination race in the U.S. in a location like New York, L.A., Miami, Las Vegas,” Carey said in a telephone interview. “We think we can create something that will be a really special event. Obviously the U.S. is all upsides for us. We haven’t invested in the way we need to build the U.S. market.”

https://www.denverpo...us-street-race/

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#170 loki

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Posted 21 December 2017 - 05:27

I'm starting to think IMS is the best place for F1 in the USA.

They would have to pay the Hulmans to have another race there and even then it probably wouldn't happen. There is no way Mark Miles would pay a sanctioning fee and the sisters aren't going to do a deal where they struggle to break even on the gate and don't get any of the hospitality or track signage. FOM screwed them earlier and that's likely a permanent burned bridge.

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#171 AustinF1

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Posted 21 December 2017 - 10:32

I'm starting to think IMS is the best place for F1 in the USA.

F1 used to be well-attended there. Way bigger attendance than for NASCAR's Brickyard 400.

...

But if F1 wants a well-attended event in the USA, then IMS would be the best venue for it.

In terms of attendance, yep, probably so.

Indy's smallest F1 crowd in 8 years was bigger than Austin's biggest so far in 6 years.

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#172 kevinracefan

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Posted 21 December 2017 - 13:02

They would have to pay the Hulmans to have another race there and even then it probably wouldn't happen. There is no way Mark Miles would pay a sanctioning fee and the sisters aren't going to do a deal where they struggle to break even on the gate and don't get any of the hospitality or track signage. FOM screwed them earlier and that's likely a permanent burned bridge.

yeah, I agree.. Liberty would have to make a give-back first year deal and different cash split to rebuild that bridge..

It is a great venue, though.. I went to the first 2 and was blown away with how well they handle that massive of a crowd..