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[Jamiednm]

Worst thread in a long time. 

 

In fact, the OP should be fired from his job for this embarrassing thread. 

Edited by Jamiednm, 20 October 2014 - 07:53.

[Nemo1965]

Worst thread in a long time. 

 

In fact, the OP should be fired from his job for this embarrassing thread. 

 

If the OP works in education or journalism, I would second that motion. The title itself must be, though correctly spelled, the worst phrased topic-header ever! On top of that: it is a question that 'begs the answer'.

[Sash1]

Honda pay the engines and decide the drivers, not Boullier.

[Maustinsj]

If the OP works in education or journalism, I would second that motion. The title itself must be, though correctly spelled, the worst phrased topic-header ever! On top of that: it is a question that 'begs the answer'.

It's actually not spelt correctly. "A embarrasing"?

[DainBramaged]

It's actually not spelt correctly. "A embarrasing"?

Nice to see someone with a eye for those kind of mistakes 

[Tombstone]

Honda pay the engines and decide the drivers...

 

No, they do not.

[Lazy]

With such an unbiased title and intro post, I had to vote yes.

Yup it's a pathetic OP. Get over it.

[F1ultimate]

Mclarens decision on drivers is on a board level where Boullier's judgement counts, but his voice doesn't. He's blameless. 

[03011969]

Answer: No (obviously).

 

I'm not entirely convinced of Boullier's talents, but I don't see he's done anything wrong in this regard.

 

As for bringing McLaren's reputation into disrepute, that was achieved long ago (Lie-Gate), and maintained by not having won a title for donkeys years.

 

Holding out to get the two best drivers you can get in the car is clearly in the best interests o the team, and their best chance to try and restore their reputation.

[charly0418]

In McLarens and Rons defense, they treated PER like crap at the end of last year, HOWEVER, they did help him with the Force India negotiations.

[trogggy]

In McLarens and Rons defense, they treated PER like crap at the end of last year, HOWEVER, they did help him with the Force India negotiations.

Wasn't that Whitmarsh?

 

Much as I'd like to see JB stay on next year, Mclaren are doing nothing wrong.  Neither driver has a contract, so nobody has / will be sacked.  They'll pick who they think are best for Mclaren.

[charly0418]

Wasn't that Whitmarsh?

 

Much as I'd like to see JB stay on next year, Mclaren are doing nothing wrong.  Neither driver has a contract, so nobody has / will be sacked.  They'll pick who they think are best for Mclaren.

 

They were both in the meetings (Ron and Whitmarsh)

 

 

The issue with McLaren here is that they're not giving the driver that is going out enough time to find a new seat. We all know Alonso is going to join, and we all know who is probably going out.

 

Heck maybe they already told Jenson and we don't know. I would be ok with that

[trogggy]

They were both in the meetings (Ron and Whitmarsh)

 

 

The issue with McLaren here is that they're not giving the driver that is going out enough time to find a new seat. We all know Alonso is going to join, and we all know who is probably going out.

 

Heck maybe they already told Jenson and we don't know. I would be ok with that

If a driver isn't looking for a seat that isn't Mclaren's fault.  Who do we 'all know who is probably going out'?

Edited by trogggy, 20 October 2014 - 15:56.

[charly0418]

If a driver isn't looking for a seat that isn't Mclaren's fault.  Who do we 'all know who is probably going out'?

 

well its looking more and more like its Button.

 

And I hate to say this but McLaren do owe Jenson some time and consideration, he's been scoring the points in a very tough transition phase  

[trogggy]

well its looking more and more like its Button.

 

And I hate to say this but McLaren do owe Jenson some time and consideration, he's been scoring the points in a very tough transition phase  

I don't think anyone outside Mclaren is doing anything more than speculate.

[MaxisOne]

The argument of the op is outrageous. When did the driver become more important than the team? Jenson is a nice guy no doubt and a decent driver on his day but when the team has better options and needs time to consider them then the team's interest comes first. 

 

And you want the team principal to be fired for this ??? Really ?? 

 

 

Jenson has been around the block and knows when to explore his options... as he has done with Porsche.. Mclaren doesn't owe him anything.. He is a paid employee after all. 

[MP422]

well its looking more and more like its Button.

 

And I hate to say this but McLaren do owe Jenson some time and consideration, he's been scoring the points in a very tough transition phase  

 

I don't believe they owe either driver anything, Mclaren exist to win races, not just score points.

 

http://www.mclaren.c...mula1/heritage/

[charly0418]

I don't believe they owe either driver anything, Mclaren exist to win races, not just score points.

 

http://www.mclaren.c...mula1/heritage/

 

In reality, they exist to make money

 

HA!

Edited by charly0418, 20 October 2014 - 22:08.

[PARAZAR]

I don't believe they owe either driver anything, Mclaren exist to win races, not just score points.

 

http://www.mclaren.c...mula1/heritage/

Then they should build a car that's capable of winning races. 

[LuckyStrike1]

Then they should build a car that's capable of winning races. 

 

 

Yes, something they've done on more occassions than not with a big margin. 

[Murl]

well its looking more and more like its Button.

 

And I hate to say this but McLaren do owe Jenson some time and consideration, he's been scoring the points in a very tough transition phase  

 

 

Not sure why.

 

They gave him $$$$ and a contract - as long as they pay him and respect the terms of his contract then they are meeting their obligations and owe him nothing.

[PARAZAR]

Yes, something they've done on more occassions than not with a big margin. 

Not saying the opposite but they haven't the last couple of years.

[LuckyStrike1]

Not saying the opposite but they haven't the last couple of years.

 

 

Very true, no teams wins forever and ever i F1. It goes in circles. McLaren haven't had a stellar driver line up the last couple of years, not since Hamilton left the team. So it's more than just one thing. 

[CoolBreeze]

I don't think EB makes the decisions here. It's upstairs. He's just giving comments and buying time. Nothing unusual that deems to be fired. 

[RedBaron]

He should lose his job because the media and forums are putting every tom dick and harry in the seat while no official announcement has been made?

 

Nah.

[ardbeg]

Button have had a long and reasonably good F1 career. He has been pretty good but never the best. If it ends now, he should still be satisfied.

[petef1]

Button have had a long and reasonably good F1 career. He has been pretty good but never the best. If it ends now, he should still be satisfied.

 

Button has been given a world championship winning capable car in his career once. And he took that chance. There are rather a lot of Button supporters whom would like to see him given another car like that, especially against someone like Fernando Alonso.

 

Button's record against his teammates (including 2 world champions) speaks for itself. Given Fernando's biggest weakness is arguably his qualifying aswell, Button v Alonso in equal machinery on race day certainly gets the juices flowing.

[Tsarwash]

It's actually not spelt correctly. "A embarrasing"?

Not only wrongly spelled but incorrect grammar too. AN embarrassing, it ought to be.

[Maustinsj]

Not only wrongly spelled but incorrect grammar too. AN embarrassing, it ought to be.

Indeed.

[Buttoneer]

IMO This is not the sort of farce you expect from one of the so called best F1 teams, the treatment and lack of respect towards Jenson Button,a former World Champion in particular is a disgrace.

 

Eric Boullier has been found out as indecisive and incompetent as team principal (that what he his despite his dressed up job title) and should be fired for bringing McLarens reputation into disrepute.  

If you added up all the stories released about this, it is not McLaren presenting a disrespectful or dithering image.  McLaren has said very little except all sorts of variations on 'we have not yet made a decision' but it's a question which has been asked so many times, and is being discussed here so much, that it just feels like they are the root of the problem and that's it's a much bigger issue than it is.

 

I can understand that perhaps it might feel much better if McLaren was trying to bite Button's hand off but actually we don't know if they're not, and he's playing hardball for a longer contract or better money.*

 

 

*Wishful thinking, but what the heck.

[ch103]

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/116677

 

Jenson becoming more and more vocal with his (justified) criticisms of the team.  Really really let down by the way Jenson is being shafted by McLaren this season.  Drives like the Japanese GP show he is still world class.   

 

If I could meet Jenson the one thing I would say is - stellar F1 career, keep your head held high, now go on and win the 24 Hours of LeMans.  A Porsche team with he and Webber leading the charge would be a force to be reckon with.  I am sure the Volkswagon group is keen to poach him from Mercedes.  And in all honesty, why Mercedes are not trying to prevent him from going to a German rival is puzzling. 

[scheivlak]

  And in all honesty, why Mercedes are not trying to prevent him from going to a German rival is puzzling. 

How exactly could they do that?

By securing him a McLaren-Honda contract to keep him in F1 as a direct competitor instead of seeing him move to a series where they don't compete in?

[andysaint]

Utter rubbish. Dennis is still pulling the strings. I suspect Honda wants something different, Mclaren want something different and Alonso is being a bit of a nightmare trying to sort his life out.

[turssi]

Button have had a long and reasonably good F1 career. He has been pretty good but never the best. If it ends now, he should still be satisfied.

He was the best in 2009.

Also the final decision on the 2015 pilots is not with Boullier, who should be given at least two years at McLaren-Honda tô show his worth.

[Raziel]

This thread

 

[Ferrari_F1_fan_2001]

His poker face is one of those you want to punch.