Jump to content


Photo

Goodwood Festival of Speed and Revival - 2015


  • Please log in to reply
284 replies to this topic

#251 Lee Nicolle

Lee Nicolle
  • Member

  • 11,036 posts
  • Joined: July 08

Posted 16 September 2015 - 09:29

Something which he allude to in Saturday's Forum discussion.

 

Re. the fitting of air filters, I think that the McLaren M2A has been restored to period condition (i.e. lacking any inlet protection) and I suspect that it won't be used in serious competition, or visiting gravel traps. Great to see it out and about after living for years in the Donington Collection.

As an engine builder I know what damage the stones cause. And even just doing a few laps as a display there is still plenty of gravel, stones, rubber etc etc to feed down those intakes.

A piece of rubber [which can also jam throttles] can detonate an engine. It gets in there and burns furiously causing detonation, then usually get stuck under the exhaust valve on the way out. Making the engine decidedly rough for a while. Stones do this too.

Just because they were stupid in the past does not mean they have to be now. Some modern uni filters will go over the ramtubes and not hurt the power one iota. Air filters in the past may have hurt the power a small amount.

Though my recollection is at least mesh over the intakes. Which actually can hurt power as the standoff from the ram tubes is affected.



Advertisement

#252 bradbury west

bradbury west
  • Member

  • 6,096 posts
  • Joined: June 02

Posted 16 September 2015 - 15:11

Having read the  comments thus far I thought I would chime in.

 

Vince, yes Allen Grant was there. I have photos of him and his wife with the CS guys  when they met on Thursday afternoon.

 

Regarding the commentators, they see on their monitors  what you see on the screen. They also have a separate screen which gives positions and times of the cars in table form. An occasional error is inevitable as they are in a very live situation. They are talking about one thing and looking at others ready to talk about those. Their slips are very few and far between. OK I know some of you will have counted them....  but  just try it.  Gets off soap box.

 

From the consensus of those whom I heard and those with whom  I spoke, the view was that the racing was among the best we have seen at the Revival. I thought so, and have been to every day of every Revival,  The big egos seem to have either stayed away or been left in the Assembly areas. But it is a top race meeting, not a procession. I think the lap times showed the comparative pace of the leading cars against other years. With some, the  display of driving skills was utterly masterful, as shown by the body language of the cars. It is significant that the new generation of younger drivers seem to have taken to the cars very well.

 

I was pleased to see that the dress code/sense seems to have improved a lot, although still lots of uniforms, although how many of those are GRRC driven I know not. The ladies put on a  wonderful  display, generally in keeping, and I felt the cold weather did them no service. It was so cold it reminded me  of  a summer's day at Croft, but some of the features which I recall of Croft were fortunately absent.

 

The gassers and motor bikes were a pleasure to look at and gave a broad church view of other classes. A close look at the F3 500 cars was interesting, the engineering and restoration standard of the Bond being remarkable,  plus the 12 stud detachable rimmed wheels, ( I think we have had a shot of the suspension in period on a REVS Inst link before), the chain and cog linkage for the rear dampers on the Martin Norton  being quite fascinating, as I had forgotten? that some of these cars used lever arm dampers low slung at the rear, especially the  Erskine Staride.  Did the Bond have torsion bar rear suspension to go with the friction dampers   or was it just the coil spring?

The Trenberth Vincent looked brand new, with its rubber bands locating the rear axle, and the  Arnott with its side pannier fuel tanks. 

Could there be an uglier car than the Healey Duncan Drone?  It was good to see another Arnott  sports car racing, along with the 2 NOJ Healeys with OON, plus the  3 Talbot 105s and an Otto Vu. John Ruston's 105 was so steady under heavy braking into Woodcote.

Seeing the McLaren M2A and Lycoming  was a pure bonus.

The Alan Mann Ford Thunderbolt was sublime in its raw power combined with the body language of the car under  absolute control, and whilst he did not feature strongly in it, the replacement 105E Anglia used by Tony Jardine brought back memories of the brilliant Boley Pittard in the identical period  Willment  car, albeit that with a 1650cc engine.

There was a beautifully restored Guy Wolf  pantechnicon,  for those who know about such things, along with an immaculate Leyland Beaver transporter used by, or livered as, Rover for Land Rovers.

The star discovery  for me was the vintage 9 cylinder radial  engined Peugeot  motor cycle on balloon tyres in the inner paddock late on Saturday  afternoon. Quite how original/genuine it might be I know not, nor care. It looked the part and worked....I was told

It was remarkable to see how very few of the TT cars or others were having major work done that evening

During the weekend, inter alia,  I found myself in the company of Roger Clark, and  David Beard and his wife, plus the redoubtable Adam Ferrington and Michael Oliver. It was also a delight to meet John Campbell Jones again and his son, along with David Holland. At 85 JCJ is always on fine form.

That's all folks. As ever, I thought the Revival was brilliant and did what it set out to do.  I am sure we can all  criticise any event, but IMHO it has all been said before, perhaps for, and by, some to the point of tedium.

Roger Lund

 

Footnote; the tableau of girls in their mini skirts was seemingly very well  portrayed and accurate, and very easy on the eye.

Footnote2. I  spent a moment in the memorial garden  by DMcK's seat.  I cannot post pictures here now, but if anyone wants to do it, I have a nice shot of the  whole memorial  garden which those who cannot get to Goodwood  might welcome seeing.

Roger Lund


Edited by bradbury west, 16 September 2015 - 15:17.


#253 Vitesse2

Vitesse2
  • Administrator

  • 41,742 posts
  • Joined: April 01

Posted 16 September 2015 - 15:15

aMemorial%20Garden%20P1060156.JPG



#254 Vitesse2

Vitesse2
  • Administrator

  • 41,742 posts
  • Joined: April 01

Posted 17 September 2015 - 10:06

Here, for your delectation, some photos from DCN. (He asked me to choose which ones might interest TNFers. So naturally, I'm posting them all! Even if Mr Beard will tut about the fifth one.)

 

All of course Strictly © Copyright The GP Library.

 

1 Jack Sears and former team-mate/Shelby driver and mechanic Allen Grant

 

GR%202015%201.jpg

 

2 Same old Stirling...

 

GR%202015%202.jpg

 

3 Packed assembly area

 

GR%202015%203.jpg

 

4 Loneliness of the long-distance commentator - Simon Taylor on his tod during the dusk race...

 

GR%202015%204.jpg

 

5 Ye crickitte - Anthony Reid to Derek Bell, David Cook the non-striker this end - excellent wicket - Earl of March’s XI required 10 runs off last seven balls, TV chef James Martin - whose grandpa was George ’Speedy’ Smith, of Yorkshire CCC fame - clumped 4-2-4 off last over to win it...

 

GR%202015%205.jpg

 

6 Jochen Mass in 300SL, wife Bettina looking on, earning snappers’ interest...

 

GR%202015%206.jpg

 

7 Big car - big bloke - Bristol’s own Julian Bronson in his ex-Donington Collection Scarab ran out of luck in the Richmond & Gordon Trophy after qualifying on pole

 

GR%202015%207.jpg

 

8 Moss - Jan McLaren (Bruce’s sister) - Susie, Lady Moss… In the Driver’s Club

 

GR%202015%208.jpg

 

9 Ross Brawn was signing copies of the new Ferrari 250GT SWB book on his car ‘2119 GT’ - the 196o Goodwood TT winner - on the Porterpress stand.  Book includes extensive Ross biog plus his own thoughts on designing such a GT car today...

 

GR%202015%209.jpg

 

10 Michael Cooper - son of John of Cooper Car Co fame - with his mum’s 1960s lap-timing board, and the famous surviving Cooper chassis books quoted fully in ‘Cooper Cars’ book - with Jarrah Venables in Arctic camouflage gear

GR%202015%2010.jpg

 

More to follow ....



#255 Vitesse2

Vitesse2
  • Administrator

  • 41,742 posts
  • Joined: April 01

Posted 17 September 2015 - 10:31

11 Jack Sears (85) taking out Paul Vestey's Willment Cobra as course car before the TT, navigated by David Cottingham of DK Engineering...

 

GR%202015%2011.jpg

 

12 Bruce’s daughter Amanda at wheel of the M6GT in which she last rode with her dad aged 4 - Melissa Woodle of the Stafford Collection, Chicago, with her - having brought over the M6GT, M2B and M5A...

 

GR%202015%2012.jpg

 

12 bis Bruce McLaren Tribute group including Howden Ganley, Jan McLaren, Gordon Coppuck, the wee Scot, Robin Herd, Wally Willmott, Tony Hilder (?) and Mike Barney

 

GR%202015%2013.jpg

 

14 McLaren tribute line-up in assembly area - replica works Minivan with test strutted wing to the fore

 

GR%202015%2014.jpg

 

15 …and in the back of the van - Gordon Coppuck!

 

GR%202015%2015.jpg

 

16 Fabulous get together of the six Cobra Daytonas showed off their differing rooflines - we all change over 50 years...

 

GR%202015%2016.jpg

 

17 Magnificent repro of Ford GT 101

 

GR%202015%2017.jpg

 

18 Indy Ford DOHC V8 in the Stafford Collection’s McLaren M2B with their BRM V12-powered M5A beyond

 

GR%202015%2018.jpg

 

19 The supreme Lycoming Special - all the way from New Zealand

 

GR%202015%2019.jpg

 

Doug has also sent me some pictures from the Battle of Britain event which took place on Tuesday at Goodwood. I shall post those in the Supermarine Spitfire thread, given that the majority of machines depicted are actually Spits.

 
 


#256 Macca

Macca
  • Member

  • 3,723 posts
  • Joined: January 03

Posted 17 September 2015 - 12:35

The chap in shades and panama second from right in photo 12 is Alistair Caldwell.

 

Superb photos.........especially Umpirecam!

 

Paul M



#257 ERIKZ

ERIKZ
  • Member

  • 76 posts
  • Joined: December 07

Posted 17 September 2015 - 14:22

To Vitesse 2:

 

The #1 photo credit of Allen Grant and Jack Sears is not of the Simeone Museum Daytona Coupe.  Simeone's Daytona Coupe has no number on it, the rustic one....csx2287.  The #12 Daytona Coupe is csx2300.

 

Erik



#258 Vitesse2

Vitesse2
  • Administrator

  • 41,742 posts
  • Joined: April 01

Posted 17 September 2015 - 14:52

To Vitesse 2:

 

The #1 photo credit of Allen Grant and Jack Sears is not of the Simeone Museum Daytona Coupe.  Simeone's Daytona Coupe has no number on it, the rustic one....csx2287.  The #12 Daytona Coupe is csx2300.

 

Erik

Indeed. Doug - who originally provided the caption - had already realised his error and actually sent me a PM a few minutes before you posted. I have edited it accordingly - and also deleted the photos from your post to save people scrolling endlessly. :)



#259 Vitesse2

Vitesse2
  • Administrator

  • 41,742 posts
  • Joined: April 01

Posted 17 September 2015 - 19:49

Two more from DCN:

 

Here’s the shot of Jack with the Simeone Collection Daytona…lovely thing, tough life.

 

GR%202015%2020.jpg

 

…and here are all six on the Goodwood grid (a Goodwood media shot - not GPL Copyright)

 

GR%202015%2021.jpg



Advertisement

#260 raceannouncer2003

raceannouncer2003
  • Member

  • 2,944 posts
  • Joined: March 05

Posted 18 September 2015 - 06:05

To Vitesse 2:

 

The #1 photo credit of Allen Grant and Jack Sears is not of the Simeone Museum Daytona Coupe.  Simeone's Daytona Coupe has no number on it, the rustic one....csx2287.  The #12 Daytona Coupe is csx2300.

 

Erik

 

Vitesse2, thanks very much for posting the photos for DCN.  Erik, the Daytona Coupe CSX2300 sports the #12 as raced by Ed Leslie and Allen Grant at Sebring in 1965.  Here is a link:

 

http://www.racingspo...5-03-27-012.jpg

 

I'm sure Allen was thrilled to be reunited with the cars and with Jack Sears.

 

Vince H.



#261 hipperson

hipperson
  • Member

  • 623 posts
  • Joined: January 06

Posted 18 September 2015 - 09:55

What an amazing day my daughter (17) and I had last Friday !

It was her first visit....'Dad I never knew it would be like this!'.........and later '.I think I need to marry a rich man!'

 

Daisy%20at%20Goowood%202015_zps4gedltjq.

 

 

Photo thanks to Nigel Harniman @ Harniman Photography



#262 john aston

john aston
  • Member

  • 2,675 posts
  • Joined: March 04

Posted 19 September 2015 - 06:13

Not a caption competetition for the ..err..shifty look  the guy in the white overalls is giving your daughter? 



#263 LotusElise

LotusElise
  • Member

  • 888 posts
  • Joined: March 06

Posted 19 September 2015 - 17:19

I like your daughter's outfit, Hipperson. If only I were taller and younger!

 

Surely she should be setting her sights on a lucrative career of her own, rather than relying on the whims of rich men. I know that historic racer Gisella Ketvel is an international lawyer.



#264 cooper997

cooper997
  • Member

  • 3,848 posts
  • Joined: December 08

Posted 20 September 2015 - 12:25

Slow motion footage released by GRRC

https://grrc.goodwoo...zLPtd3R3usPj.97

 

Results

http://www.tsl-timing.com/event/153721

 

Stephen



#265 hipperson

hipperson
  • Member

  • 623 posts
  • Joined: January 06

Posted 21 September 2015 - 11:12

'...Surely she should be setting her sights on a lucrative career of her own...'

 

 

 

She is training to be a Midwife.....noble but maybe not lucrative.



#266 kayemod

kayemod
  • Member

  • 9,571 posts
  • Joined: August 05

Posted 21 September 2015 - 11:18

'...Surely she should be setting her sights on a lucrative career of her own...'

 

 

 

She is training to be a Midwife.....noble but maybe not lucrative.

 

Yes, noble indeed, and it could uncover some useful openings...



#267 LotusElise

LotusElise
  • Member

  • 888 posts
  • Joined: March 06

Posted 21 September 2015 - 20:34

'...Surely she should be setting her sights on a lucrative career of her own...'

 

 

 

She is training to be a Midwife.....noble but maybe not lucrative.

 

There will always be a demand for her skills. There is something to be said for that in this day and age.

 

And she can blimming well leave Dario Franchitti alone because he's mine. Not that he knows that yet.



#268 Giraffe

Giraffe
  • Member

  • 7,316 posts
  • Joined: January 08

Posted 21 September 2015 - 21:01



 

And she can blimming well leave Dario Franchitti alone because he's mine. Not that he knows that yet.

 

Dario pictured in the assembly area on the Saturday.......

 

aKtvmz.jpg[/IMG]


Edited by Giraffe, 21 September 2015 - 21:02.


#269 LotusElise

LotusElise
  • Member

  • 888 posts
  • Joined: March 06

Posted 21 September 2015 - 21:16

Gets better with age, like a Maserati 250F or something...



#270 jj2728

jj2728
  • Member

  • 2,966 posts
  • Joined: January 04

Posted 23 September 2015 - 21:48

Thanks to all for posting the glorious photos.



#271 David Beard

David Beard
  • Member

  • 4,997 posts
  • Joined: July 02

Posted 24 September 2015 - 12:28

Belated posting of photos from the Goodwood Revival. Not many on track snaps due to only managing to buy tickets for the Friday. I thought I had applied early enough but I suspect lots of tickets had already been lost to the corporate hospitality market and other only vaguely interested parties, rather than proper anoraks.:-(

 

https://www.flickr.c...157658694439501



#272 swintex

swintex
  • Member

  • 542 posts
  • Joined: February 04

Posted 30 September 2015 - 05:26

Missed last night, 29th September, on UK ITV4…

 

Goodwood Classic Cars

Yesterday on ITV4 from 9:00pm to 10:00pm
Indy Car legend Dario Franchitti investigates the burgeoning classic car industry from the Goodwood Revival, arguably the largest gathering of classic cars in the world. Dario's journey takes him behind the wheel and into the minds of some of the world's most expensive cars and their owners. SUB
Lifestyle Motoring

 …and I knew it was on 'cos I'd seen a tweet about it.

 

Available on their catch-up player for 30 days.

 

If Dario's in it, hopefully it's better than a lot of these sort of things often are.

 

Richard



#273 Vitesse2

Vitesse2
  • Administrator

  • 41,742 posts
  • Joined: April 01

Posted 30 September 2015 - 06:04

Missed last night, 29th September, on UK ITV4…

 …and I knew it was on 'cos I'd seen a tweet about it.

 

Available on their catch-up player for 30 days.

 

If Dario's in it, hopefully it's better than a lot of these sort of things often are.

 

Richard

Repeated Friday 00.55, Saturday 13.50, Sunday 20.00 :)



#274 kayemod

kayemod
  • Member

  • 9,571 posts
  • Joined: August 05

Posted 30 September 2015 - 07:38

Missed last night, 29th September, on UK ITV4…

 …and I knew it was on 'cos I'd seen a tweet about it.

 

Available on their catch-up player for 30 days.

 

If Dario's in it, hopefully it's better than a lot of these sort of things often are.

 

Richard

 

I watched it and it was good, far better than the awful FoS coverage, none of that dreadful "celeb" rubbish, the only people featured were ones who had something interesting to say about the subject. The only slight problem for me was a tendency to regard anything old as a "classic", which is stretching the definition a bit too much as far as many of us are concerned. Dario did very well indeed, he's good at this kind of thing, though sadly for lotuselise, my wife disagreed with her assessment of his attractiveness, "much better than average, but no male beauty" was her verdict.



#275 Vitesse2

Vitesse2
  • Administrator

  • 41,742 posts
  • Joined: April 01

Posted 30 September 2015 - 08:07

... sadly for lotuselise, my wife disagreed with her assessment of his attractiveness, "much better than average, but no male beauty" was her verdict.

I think she'd probably view that as less competition!



#276 BRG

BRG
  • Member

  • 25,883 posts
  • Joined: September 99

Posted 30 September 2015 - 15:20

The only slight problem for me was a tendency to regard anything old as a "classic", which is stretching the definition a bit too much as far as many of us are concerned. 

To be fair, that very point was discussed in the programme at some length, and they seem to have settled on a definition of a classic being a car that was cherished by its owner.  Which is fair enough, i think.  Not everyone can afford a Ferrari 250GTO or a genuine D-Type,some have to settle for a A35.  And in the end, the value of any older car will be settled by the market. 



#277 Alan Cox

Alan Cox
  • Member

  • 8,397 posts
  • Joined: March 03

Posted 30 September 2015 - 18:44

All 2015 Revival races now available to view in full:

https://grrc.goodwoo...xFyP76f7JDeo.97



#278 Stephen W

Stephen W
  • Member

  • 15,545 posts
  • Joined: December 04

Posted 01 October 2015 - 09:17

I thought there was an actual period of years to which the term Classic applied within motor sport, or am I mistaken?

 

:confused:



#279 Allan Lupton

Allan Lupton
  • Member

  • 4,050 posts
  • Joined: March 06

Posted 01 October 2015 - 18:12

I thought there was an actual period of years to which the term Classic applied within motor sport, or am I mistaken?

 

:confused:

If you thought that, which years were they and who did you think defined them?



Advertisement

#280 BRG

BRG
  • Member

  • 25,883 posts
  • Joined: September 99

Posted 01 October 2015 - 18:24

Maybe confusion with the VSCC's vintage, Edwardian and so on classes?

 

Classic is a generic term for any old car that someone loves.



#281 LotusElise

LotusElise
  • Member

  • 888 posts
  • Joined: March 06

Posted 01 October 2015 - 19:54

The DVLA's terminology says pre-1975, but they use the term "historic vehicle" now.

 

I know people get antsy about the correct usage of "vintage", so it's understandable that some folks are a little wary.



#282 Stephen W

Stephen W
  • Member

  • 15,545 posts
  • Joined: December 04

Posted 02 October 2015 - 08:26

I thought it was an HSCC or similar definition. 



#283 P.Dron

P.Dron
  • Member

  • 374 posts
  • Joined: December 09

Posted 02 October 2015 - 10:59

 

Classic is a generic term for any old car that someone loves.

 

More than five years old, bought for more than a fiver.



#284 Alan Cox

Alan Cox
  • Member

  • 8,397 posts
  • Joined: March 03

Posted 02 October 2015 - 14:07

I thought it was an HSCC or similar definition. 

Don't think the HSCC ever came up with that one



#285 Peter Darley

Peter Darley
  • Member

  • 286 posts
  • Joined: September 06

Posted 03 October 2015 - 07:34

 

 

And she can blimming well leave Dario Franchitti alone because he's mine. Not that he knows that yet.

Have a look in Classic Team Lotus Photo Albums on their website !