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[KWSN - DSM]

Enlightening or sad:

 

http://plus.autospor...6492.1408896330

 

[V8 Fireworks]

 

'Conspiracy Theory'

 

Is this all a well-made and well executed plan by the mastermind Jean Todt? Is he purposely driving F1 over the cliff, in order to have the Championship battled out in a lower class formulas as in 1953 where it was run to the F2 regulations? Is this a way to throw of the shackles of a 100 year contract with a Commercial Rights holder, which is draining the blood from the sport?

 

Yes that would be a good idea.  FIA seems keen to distance themselves from GP2, Renault World Series etc.  I suppose they feel capable of organising a full championship without FOM.

[V8 Fireworks]

 I feel like it only functions this way for F1 if you don't invest enough in the sport - such as the three teams that have failed miserably. 
 

 

But the teams should be able to support themselves on the value of the sponsorship they can gather, which should be comparable to the cost of running the cars.................

[Nathan]

Frankly, I think the media has the agenda playing Chicken Little.  It's almost like watching Fox TV.

 

One thing Dieter doesn't discuss is despite all these great things coming from the BPL, the fact remains the number of BPL teams heavily in debt and losing money every year makes F1 look healthy, and for some time the league tables are going to be ruled by 3 or 4 rich teams that can make much more money than the rest.

People piss on F1's social media exposure, yet FOM has more Twitter followers than any F1 team including Ferrari.

Are you telling me it is Bernie's fault F1 teams have very poor social media exposure? It's Bernie's fault it is the same for the drivers?  Did he not say "pretty please?"  Why are the most interesting/visual aspects of F1 not doing their job????????????????

If you look at Twitter numbers it is clear as day football is vastly more popular than F1, regardless of marketing.

One thing Dieter didn't discuss was how is the BPL better marketed. Or is it just assumed they are because viewership is rising/higher?  NASCAR is pretty healthy, it is out-viewed by the NFL 3:1 in the US.

 

Motor sports is NOT that popular, especially compared to games people can play.

Edited by Nathan, 19 February 2015 - 00:42.

[Scuderia312]

F1 is in crisis, it's really going bad since October, not only Marussia and Caterham are gone (they were still backmarkers) but Sauber taking two paydrivers, Force India struggling to make a car for Melbourne and Lotus going through financial difficulties all the time, favouring Maldonado overwhelmingly over Grosjean, who is clearly a better driver.

 

As for the popularity, it varies. In my class everyone knew who Alonso, Hamilton, Vettel were, maybe few heard of the likes of Ericsson, di Grassi etc. In Premier League, the underdogs can make a headline by drawing with a big team, thanks a lot more possible than a win for Sauber. Even if you're watching for your favourite side (let's say Chelsea) then you know something about every team by watching their matches with Chelsea, while if you're watching F1 for example Ferrari you would barely notice smaller teams.

Edited by Scuderia312, 19 February 2015 - 00:44.

[Nathan]

Scuderia, are you aware between 1992 and 1996 an average of two F1 teams *per year* went under?  Back then half the grid + were pay drivers. In 1994, excluding the two drivers killed and their replacements, 42 drivers showed up for grand prix weekends for 14 teams!  Was F1 in a crisis then?

Edited by Nathan, 19 February 2015 - 00:52.

[Scuderia312]

But we had at least 20 cars and now we can have 16...

[KWSN - DSM]

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Edited by KWSN - DSM, 19 February 2015 - 02:19.

[KWSN - DSM]

Frankly, I think the media has the agenda playing Chicken Little.  It's almost like watching Fox TV.

 

One thing Dieter doesn't discuss is despite all these great things coming from the BPL, the fact remains the number of BPL teams heavily in debt and losing money every year makes F1 look healthy, and for some time the league tables are going to be ruled by 3 or 4 rich teams that can make much more money than the rest.

People piss on F1's social media exposure, yet FOM has more Twitter followers than any F1 team including Ferrari.

Are you telling me it is Bernie's fault F1 teams have very poor social media exposure? It's Bernie's fault it is the same for the drivers?  Did he not say "pretty please?"  Why are the most interesting/visual aspects of F1 not doing their job????????????????

If you look at Twitter numbers it is clear as day football is vastly more popular than F1, regardless of marketing.

One thing Dieter didn't discuss was how is the BPL better marketed. Or is it just assumed they are because viewership is rising/higher?  NASCAR is pretty healthy, it is out-viewed by the NFL 3:1 in the US.

 

Motor sports is NOT that popular, especially compared to games people can play.

 

I don't think you are comparing apples and oranges when arguing points which are and are not part of the article, but fit your agenda. There are poorly run companies all over the world and in all business and sports, which have zero to do with how well the commercial rights holder of the series / league manage to monetize the sport.

 

[Nathan]

"but, when domestic leagues requiring no more than 22 human legs and a leather bladder emphatically out-earn a world championship featuring 22 of the globe's fastest cars by a ratio of three-to-one for half the 'playing' time, then clearly football is doing by far the superior job at marketing itself to broadcasters and viewing public alike."

Leagues, or just one league that is followed internationally??   Only my agenda?...  HOW is football doing a better job?  The problem with that article is the author assumesF1 can be as naturally popular as football if only it was marketed right, and I simply have to suggest it can't be.  Football will always be more popular than F1, so because F1 doesn't grow as fast, get the viewership etc. doesn't mean something is being left on the table.  Funny how all the sudden a guy that built F1 into a billion pound business, and a vulture fund with the sole purpose of making money are suddenly a bunch of business dummies.  Professional profiteers, or journalist...  I mean if you are eyeing an IPO you would be concerned about doing whatever magic marketing the BPL does.

Dieter never said how the BPL markets itself better, or what F1 can do marketing wise, he just turned it into a    about fiscal inequality and Bernie this and that.

Edited by Nathan, 19 February 2015 - 02:58.

[chipmcdonald]

F1 has been in trouble since 2008, it's just been thought of as "too big to fail" until now.    People could have done something about it back then - it was pretty obvious - but they didn't want to believe it.

 

Basically at this point, every single thing about F1 has been screwed up.   I still maintain the notion that GP2 will be eased into becoming "Grand Prix Racing".....

[FerrariV12]

Not saying F1 isnt in a bad state, but the comparison made to football in the article isnt helpful. Football has always been more popular than F1, and every single other sport out there, for as long as ive been able to remember. And by orders of magnitude. Was constantly teased by my football supporting classmates in school for literally being the only F1 fan in class, and this was at the height of Mansell and Hill's success.

Edited by FerrariV12, 19 February 2015 - 09:59.