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#351 sennafan24

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Posted 08 November 2014 - 17:27

 (discounting qualifying at certain tracks under the assumption Nico might not have got pole).

You are doing the same thing by assuming Nico would have got pole though



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#352 surbjits

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Posted 08 November 2014 - 17:31

You are doing the same thing by assuming Nico would have got pole though

 

Based on the quali form this year, I'd say he quite possibly may have got 2 out of 3 at least.

 

LH has been the better racer, but not the better qualifier in my eyes.



#353 sennafan24

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Posted 08 November 2014 - 17:33

Based on the quali form this year, I'd say he quite possibly may have got 2 out of 3 at least.

 

LH has been the better racer, but not the better qualifier in my eyes.

Fair play.

 

I give Nico a slight edge in qualifying this year. During their time as teammates (including last year), they are very evenly matched in that area.

 

Lewis is a league above overall though.



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Posted 08 November 2014 - 17:34

How fast was Massa's lap before he decided to abort it? In commentary Brundle said him and Rosberg were up on Hamilton's first sector and considering Massa was mighty in the final sector, it seems like a major opportunity at pole position has been missed.

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Posted 08 November 2014 - 17:35

How fast was Massa's lap before he decided to abort it? In commentary Brundle said him and Rosberg were up on Hamilton's first sector and considering Massa was mighty in the final sector, it seems like a major opportunity at pole position has been missed.

 

Williams tweeted that traffic held up both drivers on their final laps, but not sure if there's any further info on that yet.



#356 Riverside

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Posted 08 November 2014 - 17:36

Another great pole from Rosberg. Can we please finally have a similar performance in the race?

 

 This would be a welcome outcome.   However Lewis has shown better tyre management, fuel usage ...  which usually gives him

that edge and puts him in front of Nico.  



#357 Nigol

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Posted 08 November 2014 - 17:36

What's disappointing you? The guy is on a roll of 5 wins in a row. The guy on pole isn't.

 

But he wasn't on pole for 5 races in a row. I'm not disappointed with his whole season obviously, but with his qualifying performance.



#358 payinkind

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Posted 08 November 2014 - 17:37

Based on the quali form this year, I'd say he quite possibly may have got 2 out of 3 at least.

 

LH has been the better racer, but not the better qualifier in my eyes.

Except that Lewis was on track for pole at Monaco. And he's a master of Hungary. You can make a case for both at nearly every race. 

 

Point is, we can do this exercise all day long, it's still 7-7 where both made it to the end of Q3 without parking/reversing causing a yellow flag or any brake disk/fire.


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#359 Scuderia312

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Posted 08 November 2014 - 17:37

How fast was Massa's lap before he decided to abort it? In commentary Brundle said him and Rosberg were up on Hamilton's first sector and considering Massa was mighty in the final sector, it seems like a major opportunity at pole position has been missed.

Good enough to challenge for pole...



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#360 anti

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Posted 08 November 2014 - 17:39

Practice 3:  :: Sector times :: Lap Chart
Qualification:  :: Sector times :: Lap Chart
 



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Posted 08 November 2014 - 17:40

Rosberg and Lewis are a match in qualifying or Rosberg a bit faster. So who cares about this races? I don't think one driver on the grid can claim to be the like senna in qualifying, or to be the best without a doubt

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Lewis and Rosberg are a match in qualifying or Lewis a bit faster. So who cares about this races? I don't think one driver on the grid can claim to be the like senna in qualifying, or to be the best without a doubt

 

With Senna we are talking about a completely different era so we can't compare, however Senna had a margin over his team mates, but I don't see any of his team mates as qualification specialists and I'm talking right up there.


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#362 pdac

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Posted 08 November 2014 - 17:40

Good enough to challenge for pole...

 

Claire was talking about splitting the Mercedes, so quite possibly.



#363 payinkind

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Posted 08 November 2014 - 17:41

Or:

Lewis and Rosberg are a match in qualifying or Lewis a bit faster. So who cares about this races? I don't think one driver on the grid can claim to be the like senna in qualifying, or to be the best without a doubt

 

With Senna we are talking about a completely different era so we can't compare, however Senna had a margin over his team mates, but I don't see any of his team mates as qualification specialists and I'm talking right up there.

 

Amen. Senna was definitely a quick guy over 1 lap, but he never faced tremendous competition internally.



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Posted 08 November 2014 - 17:47

Except that Lewis was on track for pole at Monaco. And he's a master of Hungary. You can make a case for both at nearly every race. 

 

Point is, we can do this exercise all day long, it's still 7-7 where both made it to the end of Q3 without parking/reversing causing a yellow flag or any brake disk/fire.

We will never know about Monaco, Germany and Hungary.  Prior to Q3 at the Canadian GP, there were a few posters saying Lewis would be on Pole without a doubt.  Now imagine Lewis had a technical issue preventing Q3 running on that occasion.....................

 

In Monaco Lewis was looking good up to that point.  Lewis out qualified Nico in 2013 so I don't see how Nico's performance thus far in 2014 make him unquestionably fastest over one lap.  Nico has performed better in 2014.



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Posted 08 November 2014 - 17:54

Claire was talking about splitting the Mercedes, so quite possibly.

 

Really, how do you split .033 and not think of getting pole ??



#366 sennafan24

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Posted 08 November 2014 - 17:57

Amen. Senna was definitely a quick guy over 1 lap, but he never faced tremendous competition internally.

Yes he did

 

Berger and Prost were decent qualifiers. Both Berger and Prost matched Mansell head to head in qualifying. So you get a fair idea, that Senna was the best qualifier of his era by a modest margin. He was always the one putting the gap between his teammates in qualifying.

 

Senna also encountered a young Mika, and beat him 2-1 head to head. Damon Hill could not get close to Senna in their short time in qualifying as well.



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Posted 08 November 2014 - 18:00

Really, how do you split .033 and not think of getting pole ??

 

Exactly.



#368 OO7

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Posted 08 November 2014 - 18:20

Senna also encountered a young Mika, and beat him 2-1 head to head.

I wonder what would have been had McLaren put Mika in that seat from the start.  I think Senna would still have won, but it would have been a good battle particular in the second half of the season.



#369 Donkey

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Posted 08 November 2014 - 18:27

Here's hoping the Williams get mega starts and make things interesting for the race.



#370 sennafan24

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Posted 08 November 2014 - 18:33

I wonder what would have been had McLaren put Mika in that seat from the start.  I think Senna would still have won, but it would have been a good battle particular in the second half of the season.

I think you already know my opinion  :smoking:


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#371 RubalSher

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Posted 08 November 2014 - 18:55

Williams tweeted that traffic held up both drivers on their final laps, but not sure if there's any further info on that yet.

 

I was seeing the driver track position and I dont think at any point any driver was in traffic. Everyone was on their hot hap at the same time with the exception of Kimi.



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Posted 08 November 2014 - 21:45

But he wasn't on pole for 5 races in a row. I'm not disappointed with his whole season obviously, but with his qualifying performance.

 

He did said he would change his approach so maybe this is it... Better on sunday than on saturday...



#373 discover23

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Posted 08 November 2014 - 21:52

Amen. Senna was definitely a quick guy over 1 lap, but he never faced tremendous competition internally.

As opposed to who for example?

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Posted 08 November 2014 - 21:58

Here's hoping the Williams get mega starts and make things interesting for the race.

They should hope for a dry race then, otherwise McLaren, Red Bull and possibly Ferrari could become a threat.



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Posted 08 November 2014 - 21:59

Good enough to challenge for pole...

 

that's a shame, I would have really wanted to see massa get the pole and hear the crowd go apeshit.

 

maybe it'll stay dry 2m and massa can get one of his mega starts......



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Posted 08 November 2014 - 22:01

Enough off-topic.
Now let's go back to 2014, or more precisely, back to the discussion of what's happened in free practice and Qualifying this weekend, please. Let's leave Senna out of this.

#377 TF110

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Posted 08 November 2014 - 22:08

5 poles in a row!... orrr, how about 5 wins in a row? I think we all know that answer. Nothing between Nico and Lewis today, and as usual, the race is tomorrow! Should be a cracker!

#378 MJ999

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Posted 08 November 2014 - 22:46

Fair play.

 

I give Nico a slight edge in qualifying this year. During their time as teammates (including last year), they are very evenly matched in that area.

 

Lewis is a league above overall though.

i have to say am confused. i was expecting lewis to annihilate nico in qualy but that hasnt happened which makes me think schumis last year was super impressive as he was quite a bit faster than nico