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#451 pdac

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Posted 14 December 2014 - 21:45

Looks like the comeback may be dead the caterham f1 website is gone.

 

They've probably collected all of the crowd funding money and are now off to buy their Christmas presents.



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#452 Fisico54

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Posted 15 December 2014 - 07:57

What a moronic post



#453 danmills

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Posted 15 December 2014 - 15:22

heres the auction website http://auctionhq.net.../catalog/id/91/  the terms are written for american auctions, and there's a serious lack of good info for Uk buyers which is putting me off even trying to bid on anything, eg can we use paypal or debitcards, whats a uk phone number to speak to people hadling the auction? do they post items to winners or do we have to go collect them etc etc 

 

just found out theres 3 different auctions see http://cagp.com/

 

i emailed the auction company and here's the answers i got ..

 

hi i just joined your website for the marussia/manor formula1 race car team sale http://auctionhq.net...ons/info/id/91/   

 
how do we register for that auction ? Go to the web page and click on the link that says register www.cagp.com
 
also your adding 10% to every purchase price..why is that ? It is a buyers Premium everyone pays it VAT is also added ( whats a buyers premium??????) 
 
where do we collect items from if we win..full address and opening times please All this info is in the Catalog and on the web page 
 
and do you post items to the winners?  No you are buying as- is where is so you are responsible to pick up the items you buy in Banbury 
 
when do we collect items we’ve won? Again all this info is in the Catalos and on the web page 
 
also how do we pay ???  surely you take paypal or debitcards, i see your terms say wire transfer..are you kidding ? no one in britain does that, once you’ve answered me you need to put those answers on your website too No we are NOT KIDDING those are the terms of the sale and if you do not like them then please do not bid 

so although id like to bid i do not like the way this is being run..no paypal/debitcards ! its the 21st century

 

Judging by the way you write/have written that email, I am surprised you are old enough to even own a debit/credit card.

 

If you had written it a bit more professionally and not like a sugar-hyper child, you might have got a better reply. It sounds like you are about 14 years old hoping to buy a formula one car with the £20 grandma gave for your birthday.  :lol:


Edited by danmills, 15 December 2014 - 15:23.


#454 scheivlak

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Posted 15 December 2014 - 20:25

According to the Guardian Gene Haas will be bidding for some Marussia stuff http://www.theguardi...ets-new-f1-team



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Posted 15 December 2014 - 22:19

Judging by the way you write/have written that email, I am surprised you are old enough to even own a debit/credit card.

 

If you had written it a bit more professionally and not like a sugar-hyper child, you might have got a better reply. It sounds like you are about 14 years old hoping to buy a formula one car with the £20 grandma gave for your birthday.  :lol:

 

If my car doesn't win I am going to leave negative feedback and ask paypal for a refund.



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Posted 15 December 2014 - 22:37

Ok, so maybe they'll be some parts still usable for Haas...pit crew guns, tire blankets, computers, even a steering wheel I guess...but what can you do with a gearbox, for example? I would presume that a 2016 Ferrari gearbox going with a 2016 Ferrari engine would be somewhat different from a 2014 gearbox, no? 



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Posted 15 December 2014 - 22:52

They're probably after the transporters and motorhomes. Brand new ones aren't cheap.

 

 

They always used to go through a number of owners as the top F1 teams upgraded to something even bigger, and I imagine the second-hand market has dried up in recent years as F1 had it's reality check over spending so much on nothing.



#458 loki

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Posted 15 December 2014 - 22:56

Haas will be looking for shop equipment and support equipment and not race car parts.

#459 Widefoot2

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Posted 16 December 2014 - 08:24

Haas will be looking for shop equipment and support equipment and not race car parts.

 Presumably not machine tools...



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#460 danmills

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Posted 16 December 2014 - 14:40

It'll be transporters and possibly the larger workshop tooling items.

 

Who knows, they might buy shell parts for promo purposes?



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Posted 16 December 2014 - 18:30

It'll be transporters and possibly the larger workshop tooling items.

 

Who knows, they might buy shell parts for promo purposes?

Haulers....  err I mean transporters   :D   with the shop equipment being the setup tools necessary for a team,  I saw setup tables and fixturing that would work for any formula style car, things that would be used for car prep and set up.  IIRC there was an autoclave and a centrifuge. In the Telegraph piece he said he may be interested in the facility.  He'll need the cases and packaging for the fly aways.  I didn't see any hospitality equipment in the auction but that can be contracted out and branded for the European races.



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Posted 16 December 2014 - 19:57

I think all the transport trucks were rented same as most teams by Eddie stobart 

 

He will likely snap up all the hospitality lounge/buildings and most tools   



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Posted 16 December 2014 - 20:23

There are various transporters and trailers up for auction so they owned those, but it looks as though they rented in the tractor units as there are none of those for sale.


Edited by BRG, 16 December 2014 - 20:23.


#464 Rob

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Posted 16 December 2014 - 23:20

Rumour has it that Gene Haas has bought a 2013 Marussia F1 car.



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Posted 17 December 2014 - 00:09

Rumour has it that Gene Haas has bought a 2013 Marussia F1 car.

 

Why buy a car from the last generation of rules?


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#466 Disgrace

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Posted 17 December 2014 - 00:18

Ask Aguri Suzuki.



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Posted 17 December 2014 - 01:17

There are various transporters and trailers up for auction so they owned those, but it looks as though they rented in the tractor units as there are none of those for sale.

That's common over here as well.  Tractors are leased and in some cases even contracted out entirely.



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Posted 17 December 2014 - 01:27

Why buy a car from the last generation of rules?

It's a unsubstantiated rumor but you could make a show car out of it.  If you weren't that dialed into F1 you'd have no idea what car it was or what year.  For those not into F1 (and even some that are) you could use an Indycar.  Perhaps it was cheap and they got it to take it apart and look at it.  It's possible they did buy one but I doubt it.  Whatever the reason they bought the car it would need to be cheap.  Perhaps  he bought the facility (which is highly likely since he expressed interest) and the rumor mill has turned that into a car.  The 2016 Haas F1 will basically be a Ferrari customer car, designed at Haas in Charlotte (probably with most of the input from Ferrari) and likely manufactured by Dallara.

 

EDIT:  Looks like what went today were show cars, there were a few of them plus some Virgin Racing stuff.  The Tues catalog is here http://cal.cagp.com/...og-Complete.pdf  The current cars won't auction until Jan 21 lt looks along with the 2014 pit equipment.

 

Story on some of the items..  I'd have bid on the umbrella pack, 4 of them for 100 quid..http://www.dailymail...lls-15-000.html

 

For tomorrow (or today for you lot..) looks like its the server room, 500 machines, must be their CFD system, the trailers and shop equipment.  http://cal.cagp.com/...og-Complete.pdf


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#469 Mandzipop

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Posted 17 December 2014 - 11:21

It's the factory stuff today. This is where the big money will come.



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Posted 17 December 2014 - 12:26

Why buy a car from the last generation of rules?

 

It could be for young driver testing.

 

We regularly see the teams rolling out a 2 year old car for young drivers to test but if Haas won't have any starting base so maybe he buys an old Marussia so he can run driver tests next season.



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Posted 18 December 2014 - 06:48

Why buy a car from the last generation of rules?

 

For Haas it's something they can run to build up a race team that knows at least something about running F1 cars. They'll get free V8's from Ferrari to put in the car and it'll allow them to 'test' (as it's a two year old car).

 

Also, regardless of the competitiveness of the car, there might be something to learn in reverse engineering the car that they can tell Dallara about.



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Posted 18 December 2014 - 10:07

Also, regardless of the competitiveness of the car, there might be something to learn in reverse engineering the car that they can tell Dallara about.

 

Yeah, people seem to have forgotten just how bad the car Dallara made for HRT was...



#473 GhostR

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Posted 18 December 2014 - 10:46

Yeah, people seem to have forgotten just how bad the car Dallara made for HRT was...

 

People seem to have forgotten HRT didn't pay Dallara and therefore the car they built was never developed beyond the basics.



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Posted 18 December 2014 - 12:19

Why buy a car from the last generation of rules?

 

For bench-marking and learning purposes. 



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Posted 18 December 2014 - 15:56

People seem to have forgotten HRT didn't pay Dallara and therefore the car they built was never developed beyond the basics.

 

??? Geoff Willis went over the car when he got to HRT and declared though the pre-season (money) issues hadn't helped, the car simply didn't "comply with modern F1 standards"



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Posted 18 December 2014 - 19:31

??? Geoff Willis went over the car when he got to HRT and declared though the pre-season (money) issues hadn't helped, the car simply didn't "comply with modern F1 standards"

You get what you pay for, and HRT were never going to pay very much for a car.  And in the end they didn't pay at all, apparently.  If you gave Dallara $500m to design/build a F1 car, they might well produce something competitive.  If you offer them $5m, you get a HRT.



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Posted 19 December 2014 - 03:50

??? Geoff Willis went over the car when he got to HRT and declared though the pre-season (money) issues hadn't helped, the car simply didn't "comply with modern F1 standards"

What would you expect him to say?  "We stiffed them and they stopped working on it and all we got was a box of parts I now have to cobble together."  That could have been a top of the line customer car from another team and that wouldn't have helped HRT. They didn't have the funding, management or infrastructure regardless of who built the tub.



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Posted 19 December 2014 - 03:57

You get what you pay for, and HRT were never going to pay very much for a car.  And in the end they didn't pay at all, apparently.  If you gave Dallara $500m to design/build a F1 car, they might well produce something competitive.  If you offer them $5m, you get a HRT.

Or for $5mil you could get an 8  pack of DW12s and have enough left to field a small Indycar effort having enough spare tubs for Sato...



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Posted 19 January 2015 - 12:45

A new twist to the story - the Marussia sale intended for Wednesday has been postponed. The BBC are running an article about a possible buyer which could see the Marussia team still make the 1st race in 2015 (with the 2014 car of cause).

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk...rmula1/30881741



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Posted 23 January 2015 - 22:50

Even with the 2014 car on Melbourne FP1, it would be hell for them to actually pass the 107% rule. OK, drivers it's fairly easy to get, but by now probably 90% of the mechanics are already employed elsewhere.It will take them a major effort to present themselves at least at the same level as 2014, and the world will have moved on in the meantime. 

 

Yes, I know some of you will remember the 2006 Toro Rosso, but things were different back then, a V10 vs a V8 engine insured they were not dead last. Not the case this year.

 

Of course, the more the merrier, but reviving a fully functional  F1 team in just one month and a half...kind of far-fetched, methinks. 



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Posted 24 January 2015 - 13:21

Even with the 2014 car on Melbourne FP1, it would be hell for them to actually pass the 107% rule. OK, drivers it's fairly easy to get, but by now probably 90% of the mechanics are already employed elsewhere.It will take them a major effort to present themselves at least at the same level as 2014, and the world will have moved on in the meantime. 

 

Yes, I know some of you will remember the 2006 Toro Rosso, but things were different back then, a V10 vs a V8 engine insured they were not dead last. Not the case this year.

 

Of course, the more the merrier, but reviving a fully functional  F1 team in just one month and a half...kind of far-fetched, methinks. 

 

Australia 2014:

 

Fastest Q1 time: 1:30:775

107% time: 1:37:129

Chilton: 1:34:293

Bianchi: 1:34:794 (but safe to assume he should have gone faster than Chilton)

 

That's nearly 3 seconds inside the 107% time. 

 

Let's then assume that the teams at the pointy end make a 2 second per lap jump (as recently hinted at by Pirelli) and the fastest Q1 time is a 1:28:700, that gives a potential 2015 107% time of 1:34:900.

 

In theory, the 2014 Marussia design should be able to get within 107%, assuming they can extract the pace they already know it's capable of and especially if they have the 2015 Ferrari engine in it.