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[FullThrottleF1]

Interesting with 1 team collapsing and another using crowd funding to get to Abu Dhabi.

[turssi]

Starts with 18 and ends with 16. 2016 will be back to 20 cars.

I guess this year will see Gatorham back for AD race, but not for 2015 testing.

Next year we lose Sauber or FI. Bernie/CVC gets then the Americans+1 ready for 2016.

[FullThrottleF1]

More likely Sauber.

[nosecone]

I still have the hope that Bernie will help the teams in case another one folds. I voted 18- can't see Caterham on the grid next year.

[turssi]

I still have the hope that Bernie will help the teams in case another one folds. I voted 18- can't see Caterham on the grid next year.

I hope it too, but I think there's no hope of that help materializing.

[FredF1]

Going by Ted Kravitz on Sky, Sauber are safe for next season but only just. Ericsson has paid up in advance so that the team can survive the off season. According to Bernie there'll be no handouts for the smaller teams as the bigger teams won't agree to it.

[just me again]

Only way we will see more than 18 cars is if the Romanian Forza Rossa happens out of the blue.

 

With little luck they can maybe get hold og Guetteres and Vdg. Money.

 

Bjørn

[pdac]

Going by Ted Kravitz on Sky, Sauber are safe for next season but only just. Ericsson has paid up in advance so that the team can survive the off season. According to Bernie there'll be no handouts for the smaller teams as the bigger teams won't agree to it.

 

 

I saw that too, but it always sounds good initially. Remember the cheque for Lotus is still in the post. It looks like Sauber have a good chance of starting the season. What they'll be looking like at the end of the season - I'm not sure. They will get another cut of the prize fund, though, so not the same as Marussia or Caterham.

 

Edit: Oh and for the poll - 18 to start with

Edited by pdac, 08 November 2014 - 17:19.

[JHSingo]

Only way we will see more than 18 cars is if the Romanian Forza Rossa happens out of the blue.

 

With little luck they can maybe get hold og Guetteres and Vdg. Money.

 

Bjørn

 

To be honest, I'd rather see an 18 car grid rather than 20 cars with a couple of teams running no-hope pay drivers like Gutierrez....

[KingTiger]

To be honest, I'd rather see an 18 car grid rather than 20 cars with a couple of teams running no-hope pay drivers like Gutierrez....

 

More cars is always better for me. There's always going to be a bunch of clueless pay drivers in the back.

[ATM]

I'm more of a pessimistic character, so I voted 16...Sauber still looks kind of dodgy now, with these contracts make/break -  and Lotus...? hm, we'll wait and see. 

 

Of course, the more the cars, the better; chances are that amongst those clueless drivers we might find one which actually will go up (we all know that Webber started at Arrows, Alsonso at Minardi, Ricciardo gained some experience with HRT...you never know...less cars, less percentage chances for a bright future). 

[Kraken]

I'd rather see a grid of eight where all eight are capable of winning the race rather than a grid of thirty where four can win. There are plenty of other series where top class drivers can showcase their talent.

 

It will be 18 next year.

[Vibe]

What was the largest grid in history of F1?

[Spillage]

Caterham won't be back, I don't think. It seems that if they are it'll be for one last hurrah in Abu Dhabi. So 18 at best, but at least Sauber look like they'll make it.

[Spillage]

What was the largest grid in history of F1?

The 1953 German GP had 34 starters, though there may have been occasions where more cars than that tried to qualify but couldn't get within 107%.

[Lee Nicolle]

What was the largest grid in history of F1?

20 years ago there was pre qualifying to make the cut. I think the field then was 28 or 30.

So the new improved hybrid F1 with probably half that number.

I feel those statistics say a lot for the sport!

[HuddersfieldTerrier1986]

We'll probably end up with 18 cars. Marussia are obviously gone, and Caterham, well, I doubt we'll see them again this season let alone next seasn.

[Collombin]

The 1953 German GP had 34 starters, though there may have been occasions where more cars than that tried to qualify but couldn't get within 107%.

The question was about Formula 1 though.

[Victor]

The 1953 German GP had 34 starters, though there may have been occasions where more cars than that tried to qualify but couldn't get within 107%.

That was a F2 race.

[Collombin]

Without knowing the correct answer, and assuming the question relates to WDC F1 races, I would suggest checking out some of the Watkins Glen races, which for $ome rea$on u$ed to attract a lot of entrie$.

1972 had 31 starters, for example.

[DutchQuicksilver]

20 years ago there was pre qualifying to make the cut. I think the field then was 28 or 30.

So the new improved hybrid F1 with probably half that number.

I feel those statistics say a lot for the sport!

Which would be a ridiculous number of cars for current F1 I think. F1 is for elite, not for teams who can hardly compete, there's GP2 or GP3 for those..

Edited by DutchQuicksilver, 08 November 2014 - 22:02.

[DutchAutosportFan]

That was a F2 race.

But the FIA says that the German Grand Prix had the most starters. Isnt it that back then that they raced with F2 specs ?

Though i think there will be 18 cars on the grind, i dont believe Catherham will make it not Manor.
Sauber probably will stay at the grid but it looks more and more like Andrea Moda.

[scheivlak]

But the FIA says that the German Grand Prix had the most starters. Isnt it that back then that they raced with F2 specs ?

 

Simplified answer: yes.

 

It was a GP counting for the WDC, but it was run with F2 cars. It just beats all those Indy 500s from the 50s counting for the WDC with 33 cars on the grid (and of course a lot more entries).

 

Largest F1 starting grid AFAIK was that of the 1974 Belgian GP with 31 cars. Of course we had a lot more entries in e.g. 1989 (often 39!) but the starting grid was restricted to 26 cars after qualifying and even pre-qualifying.....

Edited by scheivlak, 09 November 2014 - 22:06.

[Amphicar]

What was the largest grid in history of F1?

The 1966 German GP had 29 starters - but 9 of them were F2 cars included to increase the likelihood of the spectators having something to watch - so unreliable were F1 cars in the first season of the 3 litre "return to power". Things weren't much better the following year (I know, I was there): 25 starters of which 8 were F2 cars (or 9 if you include Hubert Hahne's F2 Lola-BMW, which was officially counted as an F1 car because it had been fitted with a 2 litre engine). Jackie Oliver and Alan Rees (later co-founders of Arrows) finished 5th and 7th in F2 cars but were not eligible for WDC or WCC points. Consequently, Guy Ligier scored his one and only WDC point by finishing 8th.

[Myrvold]

Which would be a ridiculous number of cars for current F1 I think. F1 is for elite, not for teams who can hardly compete, there's GP2 or GP3 for those..

F1 is for teams who really badly want to be constructors, or run a special, uniquely built open-wheeler. It's that easy. And I think there are lot's of talented individuals who never get a chance to show off any skills due to F1 being so idiotically expensive these days.

[W154]

21 Cars . 3 Cars from each team, Red Bull, Ferrari, McLaren, Williams, Lotus, Toro Rosso and mercedes benz.

[pdac]

21 Cars . 3 Cars from each team, Red Bull, Ferrari, McLaren, Williams, Lotus, Toro Rosso and mercedes benz.

 

Good luck with that one.

[SenorSjon]

Red Bull could just enter 1 Torro Rosso and comply to the 3 car rule. It would be saving them money.

[pacificquay]

I think there will be 20 cars.

 

A deal will be done somehow to get the ashes of Marussia or Caterham on the grid.

[Tombstone]

More cars is always better for me. There's always going to be a bunch of clueless pay drivers in the back.

 

Yup, one of the things I enjoyed was the days of pre-qualification. Always meant there was the chance of a few random cars & drivers lurking around the back of the grid come Sunday afternoon.

[Kristian]

Just breaking on Sky that Ferrari and Red Bull will run third cars next year. 

[Bloggsworth]

Let me see - 2 Mercedes, 2 Red Bulls, 2 Torro Rossos, 2 McLarens, 2 Williams & 2 Ferraris - Nope...

Edited by Bloggsworth, 09 November 2014 - 14:58.

[aljaxon]

sure they mentioned 3 teams inc mclaren

[David Lightman]

Did I imagine the interview with Graham Lowdon on Sky earlier where he said they should be back for Abu Dhabi??

[Timstr11]

Crash.net F1 ‏@crash_F1  13m13 minutes ago

Christian Horner has told http://Crash.net  that reports Red Bull and Ferrari will run three cars next year are "complete rubbish" #F1

Edited by Timstr11, 09 November 2014 - 15:24.

[David Lightman]

Didn't the story come from Kevin Eason originally? Surely that discounts it straight away?

[Timstr11]

Bernie is negotiatiing with the FI, Lotus and Sauber and probably in that context he may have threatened with 3rd cars.

People need to learn that with Bernie it's more about reading between the lines. Don't take what he says for fact.