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[Nathan]

It's Bernie saying something to not say something else.

[alframsey]

I really don't like the idea, I really don't. The answer is to properly distribute the money!

[Nemo1965]

Well, actually... I don't think the big teams like the idea of super Grand Prix cars as well. As the Autosport cover-article states: the fastest GP2 cars are only six seconds faster than the fastest F1 cars. What if the allowed modifications of the GP2 cars bring them too close to comfort to the front runners? What if, for example, in Monaco, a GP2 car would be allowed to make a race without a pit-stop? What about a race in the rain in Monaco? Jacky Ickx once embarrassed the F1 establishment by qualifying third (3!) with a Formula 2 car, so with 2-litres in stead of three. He had to start behind all the F1 cars, but he quickly was driving around in fifth place (in front of a dozen or so F1 cars). Alas his suspension broke, or something.

[ExFlagMan]

The same reason GT drivers compete in multi-class events and series as well as GT-only ones, I guess. To try to win their class.

Possibly - but I wonder how many people can remember who won the Jim Clark and Colin Chapman Cups the last time F1 had a 2 class system?

[redreni]

Possibly - but I wonder how many people can remember who won the Jim Clark and Colin Chapman Cups the last time F1 had a 2 class system?

 

I bet you at least as many people remember who won the 1987 Jim Clark Trophy as remmeber who won the 1987 F3000 Championship. Particularly in Britain.

[ExFlagMan]

Maybe, but back in those days there was no coverage of F3000 except in the 'comics' - nowadays at least GP2 gets some coverage on SKY, though I have not seen any figures showing how many viewers it gets.

[redreni]

Maybe, but back in those days there was no coverage of F3000 except in the 'comics' - nowadays at least GP2 gets some coverage on SKY, though I have not seen any figures showing how many viewers it gets.

 

It would get more coverage if it ran as part of the Grands Prix, because people wouldn't be able to watch F1 but not GP2, which is what nearly everybody currently does.

[Rob]

I bet you at least as many people remember who won the 1987 Jim Clark Trophy as remmeber who won the 1987 F3000 Championship. Particularly in Britain.

 

Jonathan Palmer wasn't it?

[DutchQuicksilver]

Two words: Ridiculous idea. 

[tempname11]

Well, actually... I don't think the big teams like the idea of super Grand Prix cars as well. As the Autosport cover-article states: the fastest GP2 cars are only six seconds faster than the fastest F1 cars. What if the allowed modifications of the GP2 cars bring them too close to comfort to the front runners? What if, for example, in Monaco, a GP2 car would be allowed to make a race without a pit-stop? What about a race in the rain in Monaco? Jacky Ickx once embarrassed the F1 establishment by qualifying third (3!) with a Formula 2 car, so with 2-litres in stead of three. He had to start behind all the F1 cars, but he quickly was driving around in fifth place (in front of a dozen or so F1 cars). Alas his suspension broke, or something.

I really like this idea for exactly the reasons you stated as negative. I'd like the Super GP2 cars to be rather close in performance to F1. I'd like them to be very competitive in the rain and difficult conditions to allow unexpected stellar drives from young drivers.

 

Hell, I'd like them to be able to score regular F1 points. For that, they must adhere to F1 spec, though.

[pathogen]

Garagistas running year old grand prix cars is really the answer.  No need for a separate class.  Does it not make sense to double the shelf life of hundreds of millions of dollars/pounds/euros of other wise useless R&D?  Customer teams can still perform upgrades.  They can still compete.  I'm sure the constructors can manage to justify expansion with a profit, while the customer teams can contract their overhead and cost to race. 

clever... I agree. That is the spirit of truly private teams. And with more flexible rules all the talent of new  and young engineers will be an asset.

[pathogen]

I bet you at least as many people remember who won the 1987 Jim Clark Trophy as remmeber who won the 1987 F3000 Championship. Particularly in Britain.

ivan capelli?

[superden]

Jonathan Palmer won the JC trophy and Stefano Modena won the F3000 championship in 1987.

[Mauseri]

The last few F1 races have been interesting to follow because there were not massively slow backmarkers. The last cars are on a level of racing with all others. The grid just needs a few more cars, but it is not possible for those to be competitive with the current F1 money distribution.