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[MotorsportFerrari]

Horner said there was only a small area you could really work on over the course of the winter which means Mercedes could easily save their dominant form for next year. Since the percentage of allowed improments will continuously sink over the coming years, there will be smaller and smaller chance for a comeback for Renault and Ferrari.

 

If you think that we should unfreeze the eninge freeze, which do you think would be the appropriate way to do that?

Edited by MotorsportFerrari, 21 November 2014 - 10:40.

[trogggy]

Horner said...

Do you believe him?

[Ferrari_F1_fan_2001]

If the shoe was on the other foot......

[FredF1]

Yet again Christian Horner demands that other people spend millions of their own money on his behalf merely because he wishes it to be so. Thankfully his spending of other people's money only extends to the relative obscurity of the F1 paddock. God help us all if he ever gets near the likes of The World Bank or somesuch. 

[ensign14]

Talk about reaping what you sow.  Mercedes was the only team that stuck to the resource restriction agreement that the teams all agreed to stick to.  So when Mercedes sussed that Renault and Ferrari were ignoring it, they went full pelt.

 

And what's Renault and Ferrari's response?  Work smarter?  Nope.  Spend more.

 

Eff 'em.

[DutchQuicksilver]

From a competitive point of view: No. They all had their chance to produce a good engine. Why should Mercedes be punshied for delivering the best engine?

 

From a fan point of view: Yes, that way Ferrari and Renault powered teams can fight for wins which should improve the battle for the championship.

[pdac]

People keep equating the engine and the team. There are other teams that are running Mercedes engines. If it means that they have a  chance of rising up the grid and overtaking some bigger names, what's wrong with that? If they can't, it just proves that the engine differences are exaggerated.

[RedBaron]

I'll tell you what I want, what I really really want, so tell me what you want, what you really really want, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna really really really wanna open up engine development because I've got used to winning and think I'm entitled now.

[RedBaron]

If Red Bull and Ferrari weren't beating any Mercedes powered teams there would be a problem, that isn't the case.

[InvertedLift]

Say what you want about Red Bulls extremely tedious dominance, but at least aero rules weren't frozen locking it in. Other teams were allowed to try and develop and catch up. That isn't the case this year.

[MotorsportFerrari]

If Red Bull and Ferrari weren't beating any Mercedes powered teams there would be a problem, that isn't the case.

 

That just shows how good the Ferrari and RB chassis are compared to some other Mercedes-powered cars.

 

Mercedes is believed to have a 40 HP edge over Ferrari and Renault which equates around a second. That is abnormal.

[alframsey]

Horner said there was only a small area you could really work on over the course of the winter which means Mercedes could easily save their dominant form for next year. Since the percentage of allowed improments will continuously sink over the coming years, there will be smaller and smaller chance for a comeback for Renault and Ferrari.

 

If you think that we should unfreeze the eninge freeze, which do you think would be the appropriate way to do that?

And Horner is wrong, he reminds me of a religious preacher who disregards the facts in favour of a thousands year old fables.

[Nonesuch]

Absolutely, significantly limiting improvements in a (largely) non-spec sport is a terrible idea.

 

However, it's important to keep in mind that these manufacturers (Renault and Ferrari) agreed to this scheme, and it's they who have put themselves in this position.

 

If you think that we should unfreeze the eninge freeze, which do you think would be the appropriate way to do that?

 

By doing just that, with immediate effect.

[scheivlak]

Troll poll.

 

Renault and Ferrari have their chance the coming months.

[Szoelloe]

Horner said there was only a small area you could really work on over the course of the winter which means Mercedes could easily save their dominant form for next year. Since the percentage of allowed improments will continuously sink over the coming years, there will be smaller and smaller chance for a comeback for Renault and Ferrari.

 

If you think that we should unfreeze the eninge freeze, which do you think would be the appropriate way to do that?

 

I wouldn't believe Horner when he snores during sleep. I do love the panic though. NO, neither Ferrari, nor Renault deserve more than they bargained for, just to answer your original question. They proved to be dumb, ineffective, and most of all, bloody arrogant. When it did not suit them they pissed on their very own, agreed upon RRA, did not live up to their word, two years later stood up and left FOTA without ever looking back, left the rest of the teams to roast, and now they whine about something they can thank only themselves for. Ferrari is incompetent, and Red Bull is NOT Renault. Saying that, I am fairly sure that they will reach an agreement with Mercedes  fairly soon, because unlike Ferrari or RB, Merc indeed will take into account the sporting aspects. A few more weeks of squirming, crawling, and asking nicely will do both companies some good.  that is the only thing they deserve.  

[DrivenF1]

They can change 92% of the engine.

 

Some teams are complaining about rising engine costs. Horner wants an all-out spending war effectively. Too bad, they agreed on the rules and Mercedes simply did a much better job. Fair play to them, it makes a travesty of agreements if you can change it when Red Bull/Ferrari don't like it.

 

We're still going to have some great battles between Mercedes, McLaren, Williams, Force India and Lotus even if the Merc engine remains slightly stronger next year.

Edited by Cult, 21 November 2014 - 11:41.

[SophieB]

This poll is so badly slanted. It takes as a given any responder would naturally think that Ferrari and Renault should 'have a real chance' because the only way you wouldn't agree to that, apparently would be because you actively want to see Merc dominate for years.  It completely closes out those who see it less as Ferrari and Renault having 'a real chance', and more 'should Renault and Ferrari have another chance?'. Should they be allowed to revise the scope of an agreement they had previously willingly signed up to?'

 

There's plenty of scope to discuss this in the existing engine freeze thread, and indeed it already is being discussed there. Closed.