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#1 doc knutsen

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Posted 23 November 2014 - 19:20

I learned yesterday that the last direct ferry link between the UK and Scandinavia, the DFDS service form Harwich to Esbjerg in Denmark, has closed as of October 1st. To countless enthusiasts in Norway, Sweden and Denmark, this ferry route has enabled us to take our racing cars and related parts to and from the UK in comfort and security for many years, not to mention providing an alternative to driving our British classics a thousand miles on continental Autobahn grinds in order to reach our UK destinations. Madame and myself have enjoyed many

pleasant drives in the UK in our Mk 2 Jaguar, and we are desperately sorry to lose the opportunity to continue doing so.



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#2 Rudernst

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Posted 23 November 2014 - 20:56

DFDS cancelled the UK ferries from Hamburg years ago

 

you were lucky that the Esbjerg link went on so much longer.

 

These ferries were killed by cheap air travel.

 

they were not designed to make money on the cars alone, they needed passengers on foot to be viable

these now use Ryanair or somesuch

 

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#3 LotusElise

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Posted 23 November 2014 - 21:38

I have some rather un-fond memories of the DFDS Harwich-Goteborg crossing. I had no idea you couldn't do it any more.



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Posted 23 November 2014 - 22:43

I have some rather un-fond memories of the DFDS Harwich-Goteborg crossing. I had no idea you couldn't do it any more.

The crossing to Gothenburg in Sweden stopped more than ten years ago. The sailing was often less than pleasant, unfortunately, often marked by rather loud football crowds. The crossing to Denmark, on the other hand, I found very pleasant indeed. The Dana Sirena had a fairly small passenger section and an excellent restaurant, most of the ship's cargo seemed to be containers and trucks. And there was that wonderful Danish ambiance...

So many wonderful memories of trips to Goodwood, to Stoneleigh, and to the Autosport International Show at the NEC, that were possible thanks to the DFDS service.  Incidentally, this ferry service operated between the ports of Harwich and Esbjerg for some 140 years.


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#5 Rob Ryder

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Posted 24 November 2014 - 09:14

Sad...

.. my first trip to Denmark was Newcastle-Esbjerg with a 1956 Humber Hawk. It had to be winched aboard (with caravan) !!
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#6 kayemod

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Posted 24 November 2014 - 10:16

DFDS cancelled the UK ferries from Hamburg years ago

 

you were lucky that the Esbjerg link went on so much longer.

 

 

True, but for some years there was an alternative route from Harwich to Cuxhaven near the mouth of the Elbe, now also abandoned. The original voyage into Hamburg was wonderful, the last hour or so sailing up the busy river Elbe right into the centre of the city to dock in St. Pauli. As the ship crossed the city boundary, a brass band would appear on the bank to play a welcoming chorus of "Muss i den", better known to most as "Wooden Heart" from the Elvis Presley film GI Blues, as sung by Elvis to Juliet Prowse while riding in a cable car from Rüdesheim to the Niederwald monument high above the Rhein. I think it cost me one and nine in old money to see that film, and there's true nostalgia for you.

 

A major feature of the St Pauli district of Hamburg is the fish market with an ever-present aroma, a feature it shares with Esbjerg from all the fish processing operations around the port. We don't usually have to search too long to find a tenuous connection of some kind, do we?



#7 Rudernst

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Posted 25 November 2014 - 15:30

kayemod, sure yes

the Cuxhaven ferry for me, actually living in Hamburg, was just a chapter of the Harwich to Hamburg story...

 

Cuxhaven was the last gasp

they tried to cut sea voyage time and cost

and tried to access a wider market by moving the service from the north to the south river bank

 

that screwed it up completely as they did not win new passengers and lost existing ones

as the drive from Hamburg to Cuxhaven was tedious

 

for a while I dearly missed the service

amazing as it was, that You boarded a ship in the city of Hamburg 40 miles inland (!) and ended up on an Island.

at times the voyage took 23 hours !!

 

but life goes on

 

as i said, cheap air travel will kill a lot but not all of these services

 

even earlier in the 1970ies

service alternated between Hamburg and Bremen

one sailing every day

Bremen was the first to go

 

i imported several English pre war cars using that ferry

 

R.E


Edited by Rudernst, 25 November 2014 - 15:36.


#8 Rudernst

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Posted 25 November 2014 - 17:12

on reflection

 

This thread is PURE nostalgia

 

:lol:

 

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#9 DogEarred

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Posted 25 November 2014 - 18:46

When 'we' were young, the Harwich - Esbjerg/Gothenburg ferries were definitely an excuse for having fun. Too much so for me on one occasion, being rather hungover & racing round Jyllandsring in Denmark in a rather poor state.

 

Another route, now closed, used by people racing in/from the continent, was the Townsend Thoresen Felixstow - Zeebrugge run. I often used to drag an engine to Zeebrugge late at night, do the crossing & leave it outside Scholar Engines in Ipswich, catch the early ferry back & still be at work in Belgium at a reasonable time! Slept at my desk the rest of the day though....



#10 Nick Savage

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Posted 26 November 2014 - 09:01

In May 1989, with a fortnight to kill before joining a new employer, I decided to drive from West London to Berlin in my 1966 Alfa Romeo Sprint GT. I used to work for a now-defunct airline, Dan Air, and knew the city quite well.

I had only used the Cross Channel ferries up to then, a byword for gruesome travel, and was very pleasantly surprised by the immaculate state of the DFDS ferry from Harwich to Hamburg. On the crossing I joined the table of a British Army officer based in Berlin who passed a very pleasant evening with his experiences of the divided city  -  and recommended a great cheap hotel to stay. The entry down the estuary was as described above, and left an enormous impression of welcome.

 

On arrival, I had no map, pre satnav, and just pointed the car East, turned right at the first huge flak tower in Hamburg and set off on one of the most staggeringly boring journeys along the East German autobahn, sticking to the speed limit all the way as the E.German traffic cops were said to be extremely keen on fines. On a 4-lane blacktop, no central reservation or barrier, I think I saw 4 cars on the road in the next 300+ kms. I did see two Mil-Hind attack helicopters which surged out of the tree-line at zero feet and woke me up a bit.

 

Berlin, as always, was extraordinary place to go and I spent a couple of days fossicking around in East Berlin which, when you got off the Unter den Linden and walked a few streets back, was pretty much as it had been in 1948/49. Only 6 months later, the Wall was breached, something I thought I would never see in my lifetime.

 

I was a great enthusiast for DFDS and mourned the day they stopped the Hamburg ferry service.

Nick



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Posted 26 November 2014 - 13:02



In May 1989, with a fortnight to kill before joining a new employer, I decided to drive from West London to Berlin in my 1966 Alfa Romeo Sprint GT. I used to work for a now-defunct airline, Dan Air, and knew the city quite well.

I had only used the Cross Channel ferries up to then, a byword for gruesome travel, and was very pleasantly surprised by the immaculate state of the DFDS ferry from Harwich to Hamburg. On the crossing I joined the table of a British Army officer based in Berlin who passed a very pleasant evening with his experiences of the divided city  -  and recommended a great cheap hotel to stay. The entry down the estuary was as described above, and left an enormous impression of welcome.

 

On arrival, I had no map, pre satnav, and just pointed the car East, turned right at the first huge flak tower in Hamburg and set off on one of the most staggeringly boring journeys along the East German autobahn, sticking to the speed limit all the way as the E.German traffic cops were said to be extremely keen on fines. On a 4-lane blacktop, no central reservation or barrier, I think I saw 4 cars on the road in the next 300+ kms. I did see two Mil-Hind attack helicopters which surged out of the tree-line at zero feet and woke me up a bit.

 

Berlin, as always, was extraordinary place to go and I spent a couple of days fossicking around in East Berlin which, when you got off the Unter den Linden and walked a few streets back, was pretty much as it had been in 1948/49. Only 6 months later, the Wall was breached, something I thought I would never see in my lifetime.

 

I was a great enthusiast for DFDS and mourned the day they stopped the Hamburg ferry service.

Nick

 

We could have been on the same boat Nick, and our destination was the same, but in those days travelling by road to Berlin was a bit of an adventure. When we crossed the east/west border near Helmstedt, a Kalashnikov-armed border guard had my wife removing and putting back her glasses repeatedly as he minutely studied her passport photo, while sniffer dogs prowled, and another guard poked a mirror under our Audi, we had to wait for half an hour after that until eventually we were waved through. It was my first trip to the East, I had preconceptions of a flat barren monochrome landscape, turgid polluted rivers, smoke-belching chimneys, steam trains, and headscarfed peasant women bending over in muddy fields lifting root crops, and that's exactly what it seemed to be like, arriving in a vibrant West Berlin was almost like having your colour vision restored. My memory of the Transit Autobahn is slightly different though, it was all bumpy concrete sections and quite narrow, the tyres went ber-dum, ber-dum noisily over the joints for the entire journey, and of course there were no exit points at all. No central barrier as you say, but quite wide grass in places with just lengths of tall hedge in the middle. The traffic cops used to hide behind these hedges in their Polski Fiat 125s, facing oncoming traffic, and shooting out without warning into the left-hand lane to stop anyone they suspected of exceeding the limit, they were visibly armed as well of course, so no-one argued with them. We've re-visited the former East several times since then, and spent much of last September there in the south around Dresden, it's one of our favourite parts of Europe, and one of the least-visited, we didn't see any UK-registered cars all the time we were there. Some aspects of the experience have changed a lot, others very little, but it's a fascinating place, relative prosperity has arrived at last after years of dreary communist control. To get back to somewhere near the thread, not exactly a ferry, but one highlight of our most recent trip was a two hour journey on the Elbe from Dresden to Meißen in the beautifully restored and maintained paddle-steamer Pillnitz, that dates from 1896, it's worth it just to see the expert way the crew handle and manoeuver these lovely craft in the fast-flowing river.

 

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There's a whole fleet of similar vessels, about ten in all, and the Sächsische Dampfschiffahrts GmbH operate daily services along the river throughout most of the year.

 

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When we tell friends & neighbours where we went on holiday, their response, sometimes voiced but sometimes not, is "What on earth made you go there?" True, there are no sunny beaches and Sangria but we love it, great scenery, wonderful architecture, and some of the friendliest most welcoming people in Europe. The food & drink are pretty good as well, more UK people should try it, but not too many please.


Edited by kayemod, 26 November 2014 - 18:23.


#12 Nick Savage

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Posted 26 November 2014 - 14:59

K,

Like you, after Nov 1989 myself and a couple of mates have travelled around the old East  -  Dessau, Chemnitz, Dresden, Magdeburg,  Eisenhutstadt (now there's a place !), Seelowe Heights near Frankfurt an der Oder and followed the route that the Russian Army took to Berlin in 1945, Harz Mountains and etc. But for me the most attractive area was a trip we did north of Berlin to Rugen, Sassnitz, Peenemunde, Greifswald and the 1938 Prora KdF workers hotel resort, a classic example of the dilemma the German Government faces - a 5 km long hotel, classic architecture, still in reasonable condition, impossible to demolish but too expensive to restore  -  and then what would you do with it ?

 

It is a perfect touring area, the roads are immaculate, there's zero traffic and every village (pretty much untouched from 1933 to 1989) has been beautifully restored. Such a staggering amount of money has been spent to update east Germany ...  but there are few jobs and the area is depopulated. You can only hope that in time, industry will migrate there again.

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Posted 26 November 2014 - 16:16

I too did one of the transit routes, years ago.

 

At one stage the autobahn was closed & the traffic was diverted off with road signs. No sign of any police or maintenance workers.

We drove around following the very infrequent 'Umleitung' signs deep into the countryside, meandering over some very minor roads & villages.

It was a weird & unnerving feeling being able to go anywhere without immediate hindrance. Were there Stasi round the corner or hiding in the trees? Were there tanks parked behind trucks? Were we being filmed on CCTV? Without a detailed map, we weren't really sure where we were or which way we were going, plus it was getting dark. Eventually we stumbled across an Autobahn entrance again & continued on our way with some relief, without any machine gun bullet holes in the vehicle.

 

A James Bond moment....