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Will this be the year Lewis wins SPOTY?


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Poll: Will Lewis win SPOTY 2014? (141 member(s) have cast votes)

Will Lewis ever win SPOTY?

  1. Yes, he will win it this year! (49 votes [34.75%])

    Percentage of vote: 34.75%

  2. Yes, but not this year (13 votes [9.22%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.22%

  3. No, F1 is not popular enough (30 votes [21.28%])

    Percentage of vote: 21.28%

  4. No, Lewis is not popular enough (10 votes [7.09%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.09%

  5. Nope. (30 votes [21.28%])

    Percentage of vote: 21.28%

  6. It's a conspiracy! (9 votes [6.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.38%

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#301 ensign14

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Posted 17 December 2014 - 13:57

Note the Regius Professor of World History at Shepherd's Bush's take on the Pakistan school massacre.

 

Religious extremism rearing its ugly head again. You never get a group of agnostics behaving in this way.

 

 

Be interesting to tweet him to which religion he thought Mao, Hitler and Stalin belonged.



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#302 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 17 December 2014 - 14:11

Well, there was a small religious angle to some of Hitler's stuff...



#303 PAGATRON

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Posted 17 December 2014 - 14:24

He raises good points/questions about taxes. We don't always have to rush to defend Lewis.

 

Though I'd be curious about Barton's tax moves.

Why is he attacking just Lewis then?



#304 Yakari

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Posted 17 December 2014 - 14:30

He raises good points/questions about taxes. We don't always have to rush to defend Lewis.

 

Though I'd be curious about Barton's tax moves.

Only in the context of services that are still being used.  Should you have to pay taxes for services used? Yes, of course.  Should you have to pay taxes for services that you have used in the past? No, of course not.  

 

Mr Barton has an agenda, note the comment about the Hamilton family having used schools, hospitals etc for generations. Whilst he may well be using that sort of comment naively, a potential underlying motive undermines his objectivity, in my opinion.   



#305 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 17 December 2014 - 14:38

The concept of taxation is based on pooling the incomes, not paying a la carte. So who does/doesn't use a service is kind of irrelevant.

 

Lewis uses the tax minimisation opportunities available to him. I'm sure Rory and the rest of the nominees do too.

 

So do Amazon/Google/etc/et al. However they're in more of the piss take category because they are earning lots of money in the country they're not paying tax to.



#306 P123

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Posted 17 December 2014 - 14:47

He raises some good general points, but the target of his scorn is way off and let's not forget that he himself is the sort of plank that costs taxpayers money due to his loutish behavior on the streets.  Was he concerned about the taxpayer when he was putting people in hospital, giving the police grief, being put through the court system, and then residing at one of HMs prisons/ hotels?  Was he concerned then about being a good role model?  No doubt he was still British enough, and that's all that matters.



#307 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 17 December 2014 - 14:49

There's an interesting angle to it though. Why does Lewis get so much grief for living abroad when Jenson has for a long long time? And weirdly Jenson has favoured tax-lands too.

 

I think di Resta was in Monaco before he even got to F1...


Edited by Ross Stonefeld, 17 December 2014 - 14:49.


#308 Yakari

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Posted 17 December 2014 - 15:21

The concept of taxation is based on pooling the incomes, not paying a la carte. So who does/doesn't use a service is kind of irrelevant.

 

Lewis uses the tax minimisation opportunities available to him. I'm sure Rory and the rest of the nominees do too.

 

So do Amazon/Google/etc/et al. However they're in more of the piss take category because they are earning lots of money in the country they're not paying tax to.

I get that, but I was referring to the strand of logic he was using for his justification.  Should all of someone's earnings worldwide be paid into the country of one Nationality or should the taxes be paid to the country where the money is earned?  This is the crux of the matter, as far as I can see.   By all means use people as an example of this, but Mr Barton's personalised attack on the 'Man of the Moment'has undermined whatever valid points he may have made and raises questions over his motives.  He played the man and not the ball, but I suppose that is him all over.  Social crusader or attention seeking egoist?  I now my opinion.

 

Interestingly, Mo Farrah, who is more 'indebted' by Mr Barton's definition (I do not agree with this concept) to the UK system has had next to no flak regarding his - more recent - tax status.  I suspect it's because people have decided that they simply do not like Lewis so see him as fair game.



#309 Vitesse2

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Posted 17 December 2014 - 15:27

There's an interesting angle to it though. Why does Lewis get so much grief for living abroad when Jenson has for a long long time? And weirdly Jenson has favoured tax-lands too.

 

I think di Resta was in Monaco before he even got to F1...

 

I get that, but I was referring to the strand of logic he was using for his justification.  Should all of someone's earnings worldwide be paid into the country of one Nationality or should the taxes be paid to the country where the money is earned?  This is the crux of the matter, as far as I can see.   By all means use people as an example of this, but Mr Barton's personalised attack on the 'Man of the Moment'has undermined whatever valid points he may have made and raises questions over his motives.  He played the man and not the ball, but I suppose that is him all over.  Social crusader or attention seeking egoist?  I now my opinion.

 

Interestingly, Mo Farrah, who is more 'indebted' by Mr Barton's definition (I do not agree with this concept) to the UK system has had next to no flak regarding his - more recent - tax status.  I suspect it's because people have decided that they simply do not like Lewis so see him as fair game.

I was actually just going to mention Mo. Both he and Lewis get regular slatings on the Telegraph's comments section for being expats. For some reason a lot of people can't see past the colour of those two gentlemen's skin - and in Mo's case his religion too.



#310 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 17 December 2014 - 15:33

Lewis made a comment, somewhere, about paying tax in many countries. It'd make sense(at least I'd agree with it personally) if you were paying a little bit of tax in every country. So if you get 20m a year to race in 20 countries, you pay tax on 1mil per country. Because you're working there, right?

 

There may be some understandable logic to someone like him, on his income, not living in the UK.

 

For instance if I made big money and lived in the UK I'd be taxed on the income pretty heavily. And then my passport holders(the US) would also take a second bite above a certain amount(I think the first 100k). And if Hungary, Japan, etc et al also wanted token amounts, my effective tax rate would start to reach ridiculous levels.

 

Which if I were on 20m I'm not sure I'd mind so much. The penthouse/yacht/private jet lifestyle isn't for me. After the first million I'd probably run out of ideas.


Edited by Ross Stonefeld, 17 December 2014 - 15:33.


#311 Yakari

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Posted 17 December 2014 - 15:38

Agree completely.  :up:



#312 rhukkas

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Posted 17 December 2014 - 16:09

 

 

Which if I were on 20m I'm not sure I'd mind so much. The penthouse/yacht/private jet lifestyle isn't for me. After the first million I'd probably run out of ideas.

 

You would when you had to consider your career is generally over around the age of 35.


Edited by rhukkas, 17 December 2014 - 16:10.


#313 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 17 December 2014 - 16:31

I'd be earning(net), in one year, more than a lot of well paid people earn in a lifetime.



#314 robefc

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Posted 17 December 2014 - 16:43

Lewis made a comment, somewhere, about paying tax in many countries. It'd make sense(at least I'd agree with it personally) if you were paying a little bit of tax in every country. So if you get 20m a year to race in 20 countries, you pay tax on 1mil per country. Because you're working there, right?

There may be some understandable logic to someone like him, on his income, not living in the UK.

For instance if I made big money and lived in the UK I'd be taxed on the income pretty heavily. And then my passport holders(the US) would also take a second bite above a certain amount(I think the first 100k). And if Hungary, Japan, etc et al also wanted token amounts, my effective tax rate would start to reach ridiculous levels.

Which if I were on 20m I'm not sure I'd mind so much. The penthouse/yacht/private jet lifestyle isn't for me. After the first million I'd probably run out of ideas.


Double taxation treaties should ensure you are not taxed more than once on any income earned, although you may have to pay the difference if the initial rate is lower than the UK's. At the end of the day people are entitled to live where they want and pay tax based on that residency. I think there's a big difference between a corporation earning money in the UK and channelling it abroad to avoid tax and somebody choosing not to live in the UK. At the same time I think it is legitimate to question the idea of moving abroad to avoid tax but championing your nationality and benefitting from the support of that country.

What irks me about those criticising Lewis is they single him out.

Edited by robefc, 17 December 2014 - 16:44.


#315 maverick69

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Posted 17 December 2014 - 16:46

Barton is a royal bellend who is very lucky that people have been so forgiving, or stupid to pay him a very healthy wage...... And I'm a QPR fan.....

If he thinks (which is probably a struggle) that living in a tax haven (where most F1 drivers live) makes you fall foul of the moral compass - then words defy me.

I'm not leaping to Lewis' defence as a default, because when he acts like a ******** - I come out and say it. Check my posting history.

But the fact is that Lewis has done more for many people than Barton could ever dream of - charity wise, and also in the paddock. The story with the mechanic losing a close one - and Lewis being the first one on the phone says it all.

I hope Barton gets piles....... Then maybe we'll be free of his **** crosses or his Twitter rants......

#316 robefc

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Posted 17 December 2014 - 16:52

His comment about footballers 'on the whole' paying 52% tax are hilarious! As if they do not have tax advisers crawling all over them to reduce that.

Oh, forgot to mention, good game on Monday, Mav! :-D

Edited by robefc, 17 December 2014 - 16:52.


#317 pRy

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Posted 17 December 2014 - 16:53

Lewis made a comment, somewhere, about paying tax in many countries.

 

Here: http://www.independe...uk-9923752.html



#318 maverick69

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Posted 17 December 2014 - 16:53

His comment about footballers 'on the whole' paying 52% tax are hilarious! As if they do not have tax advisers crawling all over them to reduce that.
Oh, forgot to mention, good game on Monday, Mav! :-D


Yes...... Thanks Rob....... Lol

#319 Disgrace

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Posted 17 December 2014 - 17:17

I think the tax debate demonstrates the thread has run out of on-topic steam. Don't forget there's always the Paddock Club for this sort of thing.