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[Mandzipop]

http://www.jamesalle...limit-for-2016/

 

Calendar being 21 races long

Super licence qualification age

Virtual Safety Car

 

The FIA document

 

http://www.fia.com/n...uncil-2014-doha

[HuddersfieldTerrier1986]

These aren't changes that have been implemented, BUT the Jules Bianchi crash review panel have made some recommendations that may come in eventually:

 

The panel is also calling for a review of safety critical software, improvements to track drainage to avoid conditions similar to those seen at the crash location Suzuka, and the provision of time for F1’s tyre supplier to “adequately test wet weather tyres between F1 seasons”. It is also seeking a new ‘four-hour rule’, “a regulation or guideline be established such that the Start time of an event shall not be less than four hours before either sunset or dusk, except in the case of night races and finally recommends “that the F1 Calendar is reviewed in order to avoid, where possible, races taking place during local rainy seasons”

 

The last 2 would be sensible, as Suzuka for example IF this was implemented would start at say 1pm local time rather than 3pm.

[HuddersfieldTerrier1986]

Also just spotted this on Twitter and I hope like mad that it's true:

 

FIA also confirm double points scrapped and Safety Car to now pit once last lapped car overtakes SC rather than waiting to catch pack

 

Edit: It is true. From the FIA site:

 

Safety Car: lapped cars

Once the last lapped car has passed the leader the safety car will return to the pits at the end of the following lap, the race director will no longer have to wait for all the lapped cars to reach the back of the pack behind the safety car. (so the last lapped car will pass, then we'll get 1 more lap of SC before it comes in)

Edited by HuddersfieldTerrier1986, 03 December 2014 - 16:33.

[AustinF1]

http://www.jamesalle...limit-for-2016/

 

Calendar being 21 races long

Super licence qualification age

Virtual Safety Car

 

The FIA document

 

http://www.fia.com/n...uncil-2014-doha

Has that calendar been officially ratified?

[Mandzipop]

Has that calendar been officially ratified?

 

It looks like it apart from the Korean GP is to be confirmed.

[TomNokoe]

I always liked Korea

[Exb]

Some of the penalties have changed which I think should hopefully make them a bit fairer and also less confusing.

Penalties for changing engine components will not be carried over to the next race - makes it a bit more straight forward to understand and doesn't ruin more than 1 race (they have also scrapped the starting from the pit-lane rule if the entire power unit is changed, instead it will just be a cumulative penalty(35 grid spaces - which will be made up with time penalties):

 

o 1 to 5 grid places untaken: A penalty under Article 16.3(a) will be applied. (+5 seconds)

o 6 to 10 grid places untaken: A penalty under Article 16.3(b) will be applied. (+10 seconds)

o 11 to 20 grid places untaken: A penalty under Article 16.3© will be applied. (drive through penalty (~20 seconds))

o More than 20 grid places untaken: A penalty under Article 16.3(d) will be applied. (10 second stop and go penalty (~30 seconds))

 

Also unsafe releases will now just be a stop and go penalty and will not carry over grid penalties to the next race.

[Mandzipop]

Calendar discussions in this thread

 

http://forums.autosp...-set-to-return/

[Fastcake]

There has been a dangerous outbreak of common sense in F1 recently.

 

They've dropped double points and standing restarts, introduced the VSC, simplified the penalties for engine changes and unsafe releases, sped up the safety car procedure somewhat and strengthened the superlicence requirements to ensure teenagers with barely any experience cannot just walk into a F1 car. (Not a slight against Verstappen, but even if he does well, the next rich 16 year old may end up hopelessly out of his depth).

 

What's the catch - has Bernie introduced a water cannon and trip wires?

Edited by Fastcake, 03 December 2014 - 17:41.

[AlexanderF1]

Also just spotted this on Twitter and I hope like mad that it's true:

 

FIA also confirm double points scrapped and Safety Car to now pit once last lapped car overtakes SC rather than waiting to catch pack

 

 

Safety Car: lapped cars

Once the last lapped car has passed the leader the safety car will return to the pits at the end of the following lap, the race director will no longer have to wait for all the lapped cars to reach the back of the pack behind the safety car. (so the last lapped car will pass, then we'll get 1 more lap of SC before it comes in)

if lapped cars are alowed to pass the sc to try and gain the lap back(as much as possible) in one lap then why not just put them to the back of the pack (its the same end result) if they dont want cars unlapping thmeselves why dont they just leave the lapped cars in the pack. 

 

and vsc is that eaxaclty the same as wec fcy or am i missing something?

 

and for the engines isnt starting from the back a big enough penalty even if you have got a brand new engine every race you still have to start last. although if the teams were allowed a few more allocated engines per season then there wouldnt be a need for a rule like this.

Edited by AlexanderF1, 03 December 2014 - 18:50.

[Imateria]

There has been a dangerous outbreak of common sense in F1 recently.

 

They've dropped double points and standing restarts, introduced the VSC, simplified the penalties for engine changes and unsafe releases, sped up the safety car procedure somewhat and strengthened the superlicence requirements to ensure teenagers with barely any experience cannot just walk into a F1 car. (Not a slight against Verstappen, but even if he does well, the next rich 16 year old may end up hopelessly out of his depth).

 

What's the catch - has Bernie introduced a water cannon and trip wires?

The catch is Korea, introduced on the same weekend as the Spa WEC race. Is it any coincidence that it's come less than a week after Hulk announced he;ll be racing for Porsche at Spa and Le Mans, I doubt it.

[redreni]

if lapped cars are alowed to pass the sc to try and gain the lap back(as much as possible) in one lap then why not just put them to the back of the pack (its the same end result) if they dont want cars unlapping thmeselves why dont they just leave the lapped cars in the pack. 
 
and vsc is that eaxaclty the same as wec fcy or am i missing something?
 
and for the engines isnt starting from the back a big enough penalty even if you have got a brand new engine every race you still have to start last. although if the teams were allowed a few more allocated engines per season then there wouldnt be a need for a rule like this.

Because it's not the same end result. Your way, it's better to be lapped than to be on the lead lap when the SC pits, because you end up doing a lap less and saving the fuel. The FIA's way, it is better to be on the lead lap because, if you are lapped,although you get back ono the lead lap, you will not be able to catch up. So the FIA's way is not as unfair as yours and will not lead to drivers who are just ahead of the leader when the SC comes out going off on purpose. Because that's what they would do, so that the leader would lap them before they rejoined and they would save a lap of fuel.

Personally I favour maintaining the race order and the track running order as it's fairer for everyone, particularly the leaders.

[Fastcake]

It would be simple to put them at the back of the pack without crediting a lap. That way there is no fuel or tyre advantage.

[pacificquay]

Simplest just to leave them where they were in the line of cars

[superden]

Super licence qualification age.

About time too. If I want to watch 16 year olds racing cars, I'll watch a junior formula series.

[zanquis]

The best change in the superlicense system would be the points system. Since it allows some weight in championships i think as you can grant more points in for instance GP2 then you would do to F3 or even FR2.0 and even fr3.5. Would be better if they would link it to a penalty system also. Where big dangerous moves can cost you points on your license. So a reckless champion might not get a license at all.

[Gyno]

So the SC comes in after the lapped cars passed it....takes a lap or 2 they get lapped by the leaders again.

 

What's the F****ng point?

Just leave them where they are.

[Timstr11]

I always liked Korea

According to Andrew Benson adding Korea was a trick to allow 5 instead of 4 engines per season without breaking the rules. Teams are not ready to drop to 4 engines and the rules say that if there are 21 races officially announced, even unconfirmed ones, 5 engines can be used.

[redreni]

Would you want a 16 year old to be able to sit as a judge in a court of law? Presumably not. Does it follow that there needs to be a minimum age limit? There isn't one in the UK. All you need to do is ensure only people with suitable experience may apply, and you will find that the applicants will not be outrageously young because it takes time to gain the required experience.

F1 has banned all under 18s regardless of quality or experience. But what if Damon Hill had decided to buy his son Josh an F1 seat when Josh was 21? Personally I'd have been more concerned about that than about Max Verstappen, on the basis that Josh Hill gained no relevant experience at all, be it in cars, karts or anything, until he was 17, and was probably no more ready for F1 at 21 than Verstappen would have been two years ago.

If the age limit is needed for insurance reasons, fine. Maybe having a child on the track has led to a hike in premiums for everyone else. But it's no substitute for the kind of eligibility criteria an F1 super license should have, based on experience and results.