According to a claim of the well-informed Ferrari specialist and media insider Leo Turrini Tombazis left Ferrari
Posted 04 December 2014 - 08:36
According to a claim of the well-informed Ferrari specialist and media insider Leo Turrini Tombazis left Ferrari
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Posted 04 December 2014 - 08:51
Posted 04 December 2014 - 08:53
Posted 04 December 2014 - 09:00
I'm a bit confused by this to be honest.
Firstly, who is the replacement? And secondly, why now? Is the new car that bad?
There should have been doubts about his ability from the get-go and he shouldn't have been allowed to design the new car...
Posted 04 December 2014 - 09:07
Posted 04 December 2014 - 09:10
I am calling it now, Rob Marshall to Ferrari.
Edited by ollebompa, 04 December 2014 - 09:10.
Posted 04 December 2014 - 09:11
I'm a bit confused by this to be honest.
Firstly, who is the replacement? And secondly, why now? Is the new car that bad?
There should have been doubts about his ability from the get-go and he shouldn't have been allowed to design the new car...
It sounds like HE DECIDED to leave. So not much Ferrari could do about it, if they really did not see it coming...
Posted 04 December 2014 - 09:13
I am calling it now, Rob Marshall to Ferrari.
Posted 04 December 2014 - 09:14
I am calling it now, Rob Marshall to Ferrari.
That would be quite a signing and put this into perspective.
Posted 04 December 2014 - 09:21
I am calling it now, Rob Marshall to Ferrari.
@TheCrashKid maybe not now, but if Tombazis will leave Marshall should be the one who will replace him
Posted 04 December 2014 - 09:22
It sounds like HE DECIDED to leave. So not much Ferrari could do about it, if they really did not see it coming...
Actually not, from what I can gather from twitter and using Google to translate, he was fired
Posted 04 December 2014 - 09:44
Actually not, from what I can gather from twitter and using Google to translate, he was fired
Ok, my bad There's a huge difference if he got sacked...
Source?
Posted 04 December 2014 - 09:58
And then to get fired 6 months later...
Yeah,
Tombazis is there since 2013 only yeah.
Posted 04 December 2014 - 10:11
Welcome aboard Seb. Out of the frying pan into the fire!
I have said it before and I'll say it again. We are witnessing a return to the Ferrari blame culture chaos present in the 1980's. If they cannot attract Brawn back it could be another 5 years before we see big progress.
Posted 04 December 2014 - 10:14
makes way for Ferrari to fill in some spaces vacated, there are still a lot of F1 engineers and senior management out there than Ferrari can call on (if the price is right)
Bob Bell
Ross Brawn
Adrian Newey (since he's reportedly taking a step back)
Martin Whitmarsh
I won't be surprised if they go on a massive recruitment drive
Posted 04 December 2014 - 10:14
I am calling it now, Rob Marshall to Ferrari.
Don't see it happening. With Newey taking a back seat, this will be his time to step up at Red Bull and move into the spot light. With all the turmoil at Ferrari right now, they'd be lucky to attract juniors from Marussia.
If Tombazis really has resigned, it's not the great news people think it is. Look how much rejoice there was when Costa was sacked. Now with the right environment and the right people around him, he's played a part in one of the most dominant cars of all time.
Tombazis wasn't great, but he wasn't terrible either. And even worse, there doesn't appear to be a replacement that's guaranteed to be better. The next couple of years are going to be very painful for Ferrari unless they change their entire way of working quickly.
Posted 04 December 2014 - 10:23
I'm glad he's out. He and his team simply did not do good enough, lacked ambition and creativity when the design rules we're pretty flat the last few years. Hopefully Allison has identified within the design team some organic talent that come to the fore now.
Posted 04 December 2014 - 10:30
It might be.If Tombazis really has resigned, it's not the great news people think it is.
Posted 04 December 2014 - 10:30
Tombazis left Ferrari before for McLaren and was snatched back after 1 year, so they rated him highly at one point. I wonder if Fry will be next.
Edited by P123, 04 December 2014 - 10:34.
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Posted 04 December 2014 - 10:54
Tombazis left Ferrari before for McLaren and was snatched back after 1 year, so they rated him highly at one point. I wonder if Fry will be next.
He worked on the MP4-20 at McLaren and that car was one of the very best.
Posted 04 December 2014 - 11:09
It's always the question, who comes next?
You can't blame just one person, the whole designer-team didn't do a great job the last years. But when one of these guys get the job it could easily be that we get the same thing again.
Posted 04 December 2014 - 11:21
Well he was responsible for the last 5 cars which all failed to deliver a title ... enough said, facts speak for themselves, even more its not like we had very good cars and we where losing at the wire(like in 2008) in fact our cars where never up there winning races, pole positions etc(maybe except 2010 when we where quite competitive at some point)
Its normal that he takes responsibility and resigns or gets the sack ... its time for some new blood, new ideas and more balls hopefully.
Posted 04 December 2014 - 11:25
Tombazis and Prodromou at McLaren at the same time again (only without Newey) has me excited, will it happen though? Fry won't leave Ferrari I don't think. But, should he leave, I can see him getting a job back at McLaren now Sam Michael had decided to bail.
Posted 04 December 2014 - 11:28
I am surprised Tombazis wasn't given his marching orders with Marmorini (imo they fired the wrong person)
Marmorini insists that the original ‘small engine’ decision came from chief designer Nikolas Tombazis. He had justified this with the smaller unit allowing better aerodynamics argument.
‘In short it was made out that all of the woes of the F14T are the fault of the power unit.‘explained Marmorini, ‘As if a company with the history of Ferrari had forgotten how to make engines. With my colleagues, I packaged a power unit a certain size, a smaller version of the Mercedes and Renault, because we were asked by the project manager of the car – Mr Tombazis.’
His explanation continued, ‘He (Tombazis) said we want a very compact power unit, with small radiators, because the power loss will be compensated with aerodynamic solutions that will guarantee us an advantage over the cars (of) Mercedes and Renault.’ It’s been exactly like that, except that, when we were confronted with the competition, the horses were obviously less, but this was not compensated by aerodynamics.
Posted 04 December 2014 - 11:33
Well he was responsible for the last 5 cars which all failed to deliver a title ..
He is responsible since the 2012 car, until 2011 it was Costa. Then the idea was that the 2013 car will be made under the lead of Resta so that the team of Tombazis has enough time for 2014. So, all in all only 2 cars.
Posted 04 December 2014 - 15:47
I am surprised Tombazis wasn't given his marching orders with Marmorini (imo they fired the wrong person)
Wasn't there a rumor that LDM asked for Marmorini's head and Domenicali served his own rather than let Marmorini go because he believed the engine department was not the only one responsible for the failure? Not that it did any good for Marmorini in the end.
Posted 04 December 2014 - 16:09
I am surprised Tombazis wasn't given his marching orders with Marmorini (imo they fired the wrong person)
That article was Turrini's effort to whitewash the monumental **** up that is the Ferrari PU and Tombazis being a non-italian was the obvious scapegoat.
It's drivel, it doesn't hold up to any degree of scrutiny and we ve discussed it again. The size was the least of that PU's problems.
Posted 04 December 2014 - 16:11
He is responsible since the 2012 car, until 2011 it was Costa. Then the idea was that the 2013 car will be made under the lead of Resta so that the team of Tombazis has enough time for 2014. So, all in all only 2 cars.
With a defective wind tunnel on top of that.
Posted 04 December 2014 - 16:17
makes way for Ferrari to fill in some spaces vacated, there are still a lot of F1 engineers and senior management out there than Ferrari can call on (if the price is right)
Bob Bell
Ross Brawn
Adrian Newey (since he's reportedly taking a step back)
Martin Whitmarsh
I won't be surprised if they go on a massive recruitment drive
Adrian Newey is contracted to Red Bull still... Didn't he sign a new contract, but not with RBR but with Red Bull Technology?
EDIT: Quick Google found this: http://www.theguardi...of-adrian-newey
Edited by GrumpyYoungMan, 04 December 2014 - 16:19.
Posted 04 December 2014 - 16:22
Adrian Newey is contracted to Red Bull still... Didn't he sign a new contract, but not with RBR but with Red Bull Technology?
EDIT: Quick Google found this: http://www.theguardi...of-adrian-newey
As far as I know he always signed with RBT and not directly with RBR and Newey is not the only one.
Edited by Brod, 04 December 2014 - 16:22.
Posted 04 December 2014 - 16:28
As far as I know he always signed with RBT and not directly with RBR and Newey is not the only one.
That probably helped when the RRA was being used... (Maybe RBT spent some time (and Money) on the R&D which helped guide RBR to the fine tuned version...)
Posted 04 December 2014 - 16:39
Yeah,
Tombazis is there since 2013 only yeah.
Posted 04 December 2014 - 17:38
Posted 04 December 2014 - 17:55
Maybe Fred taking staff with him?
Posted 04 December 2014 - 18:08
Maybe Fred taking staff with him?
The link to McLaren could rather be that in the design-department there works another well known greek.
Posted 04 December 2014 - 19:53
It's always easy to do ''Stalin'' and fire people when things go wrong.
Aldo Costa is doing fine at Mercedes
Posted 04 December 2014 - 20:50
I think Bell would be a good addition for them if they cant get Ross. Hes led championship teams on his own with Renault and he knows how to properly manage a race team.
Additionally .. hmm wheres Martin ?
Posted 04 December 2014 - 21:02
Bob Bell or promote Rory Byrne to chief designer.
Bah, who the hell knows these days? I doubt even the team itself knows why the cars are crap and who are responsible. It's probably engineers who are not even in the spotlight, names we haven't even heard about.
Posted 04 December 2014 - 21:18
With all the turmoil at Ferrari right now, they'd be lucky to attract juniors from Marussia.
Which it may not be all that bad. When Marussia figured out that insulating the exhaust pipes improved the PU a little, the big team followed suit. It should have been insulated since the beginning.
Probably they will bring new fresh ideas. Who knows?
Posted 04 December 2014 - 22:33
Posted 04 December 2014 - 22:38
Hasn't bell being on gardening stuff for some time now? If Ferrari has already got him to replace Tombazis.
Posted 04 December 2014 - 22:47
Hasn't bell being on gardening stuff for some time now? If Ferrari has already got him to replace Tombazis.
Highly doubt Bell would be replacing Tombazis .. Bell has been operating similar to Ross on a management level rather than a hands on level for quite a bit.
Posted 04 December 2014 - 22:48
Adrian Newey (since he's reportedly taking a step back)
Newey is a pipe dream, in fact just today there was an announcement that Newey's "project" (Aka Red Bull Advanced Technologies) will be working on Newey's long standing "dream" (America's Cup)
http://ben-ainslie-r...chnologies.html
Posted 04 December 2014 - 22:49
Highly doubt Bell would be replacing Tombazis .. Bell has been operating similar to Ross on a management level rather than a hands on level for quite a bit.
The rumor was Bell would be Tech Director and Allison will slide over to Head Designer, but AFAIK that rumor died 2-3 months ago.
Posted 05 December 2014 - 00:10
Posted 05 December 2014 - 01:54
They better have a suitable replacement ready otherwise it would be a mistake. Assuming it's true of course. Probably is.
No, people who are **** at their job should be sacked within a year. I want to see more competition in F1, its a bunch of old donkeys trading "golden parachutes" when they get fired, oh you got fired dont worry you can come be **** on my team for 5 years.
Too many friends, need more enemies, need people who actually put in work and produce results, this isnt Welfare 1 its Formula 1.
F1 is only "sport" where you can be **** for 50 years and still be respected and keep getting jobs while never amounting to anything (saying in General).
Its like the top 3 teams always are cut throat and go for first place, while it seems rest of grid is just giving each other Participation Medals, and patting them selves on the back for "giving it a go"
Look at his CV, when was the last time has he had any success?
Edited by DKMoto, 05 December 2014 - 01:55.
Posted 05 December 2014 - 04:17
It's always the question, who comes next?
You can't blame just one person, the whole designer-team didn't do a great job the last years. But when one of these guys get the job it could easily be that we get the same thing again.
His explanation continued, ‘He (Tombazis) said we want a very compact power unit, with small radiators, because the power loss will be compensated with aerodynamic solutions that will guarantee us an advantage over the cars (of) Mercedes and Renault.’ It’s been exactly like that, except that, when we were confronted with the competition, the horses were obviously less, but this was not compensated by aerodynamics.
It is quite likely that most of the power deficiency was not caused by the compact design. The car (&engine package) was a small improvement to the previous year when compared against Red Bull. The car itself could be even about as good as the Mercedes. Their problem is 90% about engine when compared to Mercedes and maybe 70% about the car when compared to the Red Bull. Maybe they were focusing on the wrong things as the engine is a junk.
Edited by Mauseri, 05 December 2014 - 04:17.
Posted 05 December 2014 - 06:12