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#1 HistoryFan

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Posted 14 December 2014 - 21:34

Fernando Alonso und Jenson Button together raced in 501 F1 races - that's the most experienced driver line-up. What was the record before? Is there any top-10 list?



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#2 George Costanza

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Posted 15 December 2014 - 01:16

I am sure 1992 Williams would make any top 10.... Nigel and Riccardo had a combined 422 races.



#3 wllsfjrch

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Posted 15 December 2014 - 01:53

By my reckoning, by the time Rubens Barrichello left Ferrari at the end of the 2005 season, he and Michael Schumacher had started 445 races between them.

 

I can't think of any combination that beats 501, and that's only the number of races they start out with as team mates. Who knows what it'll be by the time one of them leaves McLaren. That's a ridiculous amount of experience to be starting a partnership with when you think about it!



#4 Chubby_Deuce

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Posted 15 December 2014 - 02:08

Quick tally says that Rubens+Jenson had 454 starts between them at the end of 2009.



#5 George Costanza

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Posted 15 December 2014 - 03:21

I wonder if Fernando Alonso or Jenson Button will make it to 300 plus starts?
 

I don't think they will surpass that record of 322. Had Schumacher stayed in 2013, he would have done it.


Edited by George Costanza, 15 December 2014 - 03:25.


#6 turssi

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Posted 15 December 2014 - 03:38

Who holds that 322 record? Rubens?

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Posted 15 December 2014 - 04:02

Who holds that 322 record? Rubens?

 

Yup... Rubens.

 

It would be interesting which is the pairing with most wins. Probably Michael and Rubens 2004'ish? Seb and Webbo? Kimi and Seb?



#8 Rob G

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Posted 15 December 2014 - 05:12

Yup... Rubens.

 

It would be interesting which is the pairing with most wins. Probably Michael and Rubens 2004'ish? Seb and Webbo? Kimi and Seb?

Schumacher and Massa had a combined 93 (91 & 2) at the end of 2006. Schumacher and Barrichello were at a total of 92 (83 & 9) by the end of 2004.



#9 hittheapex

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Posted 15 December 2014 - 07:31

I think 501 is the record for now. Some other high totals from before would be Coulthard and Webber in 2008, probably had around 370 or 380 starts between them.

 

Raikkonen and Alonso would have had over 450 starts between them by the end of 2014.

 

Historically the numbers are skewed somewhat because more GPs are scheduled each year. If there was a top 10 list for number of seasons, rather than number of GP, I'm sure drivers such as Graham Hill would be in with a chance of making the top 10.

 

10 years ago, only one driver, Patrese, had done more than 250 GPs. Now Button and Alonso have 501 between them. Testimony both to their fitness and ability but also how busy the calendar is now.


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#10 RedRabbit

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Posted 15 December 2014 - 09:14

I think 501 is the record for now. Some other high totals from before would be Coulthard and Webber in 2008, probably had around 370 or 380 starts between them.

 

Raikkonen and Alonso would have had over 450 starts between them by the end of 2014.

 

Historically the numbers are skewed somewhat because more GPs are scheduled each year. If there was a top 10 list for number of seasons, rather than number of GP, I'm sure drivers such as Graham Hill would be in with a chance of making the top 10.

 

10 years ago, only one driver, Patrese, had done more than 250 GPs. Now Button and Alonso have 501 between them. Testimony both to their fitness and ability but also how busy the calendar is now.

 

Another thing is that a couple decades ago, a career was considered to have lasted a decent length if you made 4 seasons. That same level of driver can now stick around 10 years and the better ones go on for 15.



#11 Jimisgod

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Posted 15 December 2014 - 09:33

Another thing is that a couple decades ago, a career was considered to have lasted a decent length if you made 4 seasons. That same level of driver can now stick around 10 years and the better ones go on for 15.


That's because in the era of no testing it takes 2 to 4 whole seasons to get a half decent drive unless you are the chosen one in a team young driver program. Guys like Lauda did patchy seasons in their "youth" and moved up quickly. From nowhere in 1973 to WDC in 1975.

Also no champion has really embarrassed themselves enough to be rated lower than a newbie (except maybe Kimi this year) and removed. Even Button thumped Magnussen.

I'm amazed by the longevity of Sutil who had 7 seasons with no podiums, but that seems to be a rarity now. Hulkenberg, Grosjean and Perez will be fortunate to make 6 if they don't get a top drive.

#12 hittheapex

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Posted 15 December 2014 - 10:44

Another thing is that a couple decades ago, a career was considered to have lasted a decent length if you made 4 seasons. That same level of driver can now stick around 10 years and the better ones go on for 15.

Indeed, even if there were 20 GPs a year back in the 50s and 60s, it's doubtful many would have got past even 100 GP back then, let alone 250 or more.



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Posted 15 December 2014 - 10:49

Yup... Rubens.

 

It would be interesting which is the pairing with most wins. Probably Michael and Rubens 2004'ish? Seb and Webbo? Kimi and Seb?

 

It takes Senna and Prost with their final tallies to beat Schumacher. No pairing comes close.