With these odds, is it a little wonder that most of the sporting world yawns at 2015 F1.

A shame that so-called pinnacle is turning out to be as competitive as watching the paint dry.

Go and play with a dice.

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#6 keshav

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Posted 15 December 2014 - 05:19

Alonso and Vettel having better odds than Ricciardo is a tough one. He will certainly have a better car, unless McLaren-Honda makes a brilliant car.

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#7 ViMaMo

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Posted 15 December 2014 - 07:39

One can't blame F1 for being what it is, teams will rise and fall. Its up to other teams to challenge Mercedes. Nico should up his game.

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#8 Jackmancer

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Posted 15 December 2014 - 08:01

1/4 Maldonado winning on most penalty points

4/6 Massa saying "for sure" in interview before Melbourne GP

40/1 Grosjean rant on teamradio

50/1 Verstappen being arrested for underage drinking on podium

100/1 Rosberg choosing to race under Finish nationality

150/1 Hamilton and Alonso laughing about their shared McLaren time

200/1 Ericsson setting fastest lap of the race

250/1 Gerri Halliwell dating Ron Dennis

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#9 ANF

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Posted 15 December 2014 - 12:42

Sebastian Vettel 18/1

Kimi Raikkonen 125/1

:stoned:

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#10 noikeee

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Posted 15 December 2014 - 12:48

I'm not really following Ricciardo's odds neither, though I suppose Alonso and Vettel with more established fans will be getting more bets than him, therefore their values will be inflated by comparison.

What looks really strange to me is Toro Rosso having much shorter odds than Force India to win the championship. They don't have a Mercedes engine, are not an independent competitor like Force India (surely even if Toro Rosso luck into designing a super car they still wouldn't be allowed to beat Red Bull for the title), and will have 2 rookies as drivers vs a very strong pair of experienced upper midfielders. Okay neither will come remotely close to winning the title, but even in terms of WCC table you'd lean towards FI beating them.

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#11 Zoetrope

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Posted 15 December 2014 - 13:24

I'm not really following Ricciardo's odds neither, though I suppose Alonso and Vettel with more established fans will be getting more bets than him, therefore their values will be inflated by comparison.

Could you elaborate? I would think that the odds are set separately from how likely it is for people to bet on their fav driver. Because it seems to me that if more people bet on their fav driver, it doesn't make the reality any more riskier for the betting company so they have to cut the odds.

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#12 StudMuffin

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Posted 15 December 2014 - 13:45

Could you elaborate? I would think that the odds are set separately from how likely it is for people to bet on their fav driver. Because it seems to me that if more people bet on their fav driver, it doesn't make the reality any more riskier for the betting company so they have to cut the odds.

The odds will change by how much is bet on any given driver. If there was millions bet on kimi at 125 to 1 and he actually pulled it off the bookie would be bankrupt, therefore the odds will always change to reflect the betting.

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#13 noikeee

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Posted 15 December 2014 - 13:47

Yeah I think the algorithms that calculate odds always include a factor on how many people bet on each option. Not just because of what StudMuffin posted above, but also because people might get inside info that the outcome X is more likely to happen for whatever reason, and the betting company needs to be automatically protected from it.

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#14 TomNokoe

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Posted 15 December 2014 - 13:48

Hopefully somewhere will do a Merc/Lewis double at better than Evens... free money :up:

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#15 StudMuffin

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Posted 15 December 2014 - 13:55

All you really need to know is that the odds are always stacked in the bookies favour, unless of course it's cricket, loads of corrupt spreadbetting there.

Am very surprised at the odds for Kimi though, not a great 2014, but not much diffference between him and Verstappen

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#16 Kalmake

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Posted 15 December 2014 - 16:07

Williams is overrated. While they have a decent chance of getting 2nd or 3rd, beating Mercedes as a customer team is quite a long shot. With McLaren, RBR and even Ferrari there is at least a chance that their engine situation will be much improved.

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#17 travbrad

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Posted 15 December 2014 - 17:26

I don't really understand the Ricciardo odds either, especially in comparison to Vettel. He beat Vettel in the same car this year, and I'd expect RBR to have a better car in 2015 than Ferrari. Red Bull actually had a great car this year, but they were let down by their PU. Ferrari didn't have a great car or PU.

With these odds, is it a little wonder that most of the sporting world yawns at 2015 F1.

A shame that so-called pinnacle is turning out to be as competitive as watching the paint dry.

Was 2013 really any better with 9 wins in a row by the same person? At least Mercedes has 2 drivers who can win. Of course we'd all like to see F1 more competitive but a lot of people seem to have very short memories. Large parts of F1 history have been dominated by a single team.

Edited by travbrad, 17 December 2014 - 05:41.

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#18 RekF1

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Posted 15 December 2014 - 17:58

Ferrari 10/1 Redbull 9/2. Vettel 18/1 Ricciardo 20/1 ???

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#19 DutchQuicksilver

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Posted 15 December 2014 - 20:07

Sebastian Vettel 18/1

Kimi Raikkonen 125/1

I know, a bit silly. Though if Raikkonen does get beaten by Vettel, he should just call it a day after 2015.

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#20 JAW97

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Posted 15 December 2014 - 21:08

Williams is overrated. While they have a decent chance of getting 2nd or 3rd, beating Mercedes as a customer team is quite a long shot. With McLaren, RBR and even Ferrari there is at least a chance that their engine situation will be much improved.

Disagree with this.

I can't really see Williams winning either but for 40 and 66-1 you can't really go wrong, especially considering how much they improved over the year. As for the engine situation, personally I still think Mercedes will be quite a way ahead of everyone else.

Edited by JAW97, 15 December 2014 - 21:09.

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#21 SealTheDiffuser

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Posted 15 December 2014 - 21:10

Disagree with this.

I can't really see Williams winning either but for 40 and 66-1 you can't really go wrong, especially considering how much they improved over the year. As for the engine situation, personally I still think Mercedes will be quite a way ahead of everyone else.

only Williams Redbull and maybe Ferrari can do it, so not much to lose here

I say RIC will do it.

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#22 SealTheDiffuser

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Posted 15 December 2014 - 21:12

Ferrari 10/1 Redbull 9/2. Vettel 18/1 Ricciardo 20/1 ???

Raikkonen?

Edited by SealTheDiffuser, 15 December 2014 - 21:14.

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#23 JAW97

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Posted 15 December 2014 - 21:16

only Williams Redbull and maybe Ferrari can do it, so not much to lose here

I say RIC will do it.

Yep, when he said overrated I think he meant that the odds were too short, which I disagree with. If he meant the opposite then I'll probably look like a clown.

Edit: Quoting and editing is pretty awkward on here.