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#101 HoldenRT

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Posted 20 December 2014 - 16:33

Former F1 Doc and an attention whore doesn't have an agenda, at all.

 

It's strange because attention whores usually irritate the heck out of me.  Narcissism isn't the best aspect of humanity.  The opposite.  I'm not a fan of twitter or the whole drama/attention thing.  I sort of despise it.

 

For some reason, reading his blogs now and then over the last 12 months I never got that sense.  It never rubbed me that way.

 

Maybe it's because some narcissists can be completely self centered and lap up attention just for their own purpose while others do that while offering a service at the same time.  I've seen plenty of fitness trainers or others that "serve" others, and contribute a lot of good to the world.. while at the same time, if you labelled them as an attention whore or being narcissistic you could be right.

 

They still offer something that is of use to others.  Contribute something to the whole.. outside of themselves.  A celeb posting a pic of what they ate for breakfast?  Useless.  A doctor sharing medical knowledge?  Not so useless.  Narcissism is everywhere in our society and is sort of encouraged or admired.  Everyone has a little bit to some degree, as it's necessary for success.  How many Lewis fans love him because of his "out there" persona?  It's like nudity in movies.  For some people it's just wrong.  For me, sometimes it's gratuitous and meaningless and sometimes it has a purpose.  It can be a sensitive issue but there's right and wrong ways where it shows itself.

 

Anyways, this is getting off topic.  To conclude.. there's two sides to every story, and clearly he isn't 100% squeaky clean or perfect.  At the same time, freedom of expression is a good thing and using fear to control people.. not so much.  Unless they are doing something wrong, and if they are.. there are right and wrong ways to handle that situation.



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#102 Elba

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Posted 20 December 2014 - 17:39

Maybe I do.

I have no issue with him, doing what he feels he has/wants to do, but anyone will have to take into account and accept that whatever he/she does, has it's consequences, good or bad.

 

He hasn't lost his job over it (yet) - so what's all the drama about?

If he values his "privacy" so much, then why have a "blog", putting him into the public eye?

 

To be clear, it's his good right, no problem whatsoever, but if you feel the need/urge to "shout your opinion from the roof tops" - so to speak, don't be surprised if it provokates a reaction in one form or the other. 

If it does, don't turn around an act all surprised and hard done by, when this happens.

Maybe he should have minded about this beforehand, you have to take the good with the bad - or do you think, the guy is just "naïve"? [ I didn't know that this would happen?]

 

Go and stand on a street corner, and shout your opinion to anyone who passes by - it's your good right, but you may get punched in the face by someone, who will take offence.

If you can't take this reaction, don't do it. If you still feel compelled to do so, because "it's the right thing to do", then you have to deal with the consequences of your action/decisions - simple.

IMHO

Very much agree with this  :up:

 

Firstly the Doc wasn't fired the FIA just choose not to extend his contract when it expired. They went with other qualified medical staff which is in their right. Seemingly none of the teams and drivers have a problem with the current medical team.

 

Secondly the Doc choose to confront FIA head-on so he could expect repercussions. If I badmouth my former employer constantly on the social media I would fully expect them to contact my current employer or clients to show them what a liability I am/can be when the relationship turns sour.

If he can't stand the heat he should have stayed out of the kitchen.

 

If this is something FIA should put an effort in is another matter but maybe sentimental reasons (iow the Schumachers) played a part here.

Also it's not the most efficient way to deal with the Doc, offer his current hospital a donation of X-amount (possibly funded by the Schumachers) with the stipulation it will only be donated if Hartstein is exit and he would be out of this job in no time.   ;)

 

That said I do hope the Doc gets to heal many more people in his current position however I wish someone would force him to STFU and never to hear or read anything from him again.



#103 anneomoly

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Posted 20 December 2014 - 18:04

Very much agree with this  :up:

 

Firstly the Doc wasn't fired the FIA just choose not to extend his contract when it expired. They went with other qualified medical staff which is in their right. Seemingly none of the teams and drivers have a problem with the current medical team.

 

Secondly the Doc choose to confront FIA head-on so he could expect repercussions. If I badmouth my former employer constantly on the social media I would fully expect them to contact my current employer or clients to show them what a liability I am/can be when the relationship turns sour.

If he can't stand the heat he should have stayed out of the kitchen.

 

If this is something FIA should put an effort in is another matter but maybe sentimental reasons (iow the Schumachers) played a part here.

Also it's not the most efficient way to deal with the Doc, offer his current hospital a donation of X-amount (possibly funded by the Schumachers) with the stipulation it will only be donated if Hartstein is exit and he would be out of this job in no time.   ;)

 

That said I do hope the Doc gets to heal many more people in his current position however I wish someone would force him to STFU and never to hear or read anything from him again.

 

You're advocating bribery as an incentive to make a person unemployed??

 

Bernie? Is that you?



#104 MrPodium

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Posted 20 December 2014 - 18:14

Very much agree with this :up:

Firstly the Doc wasn't fired the FIA just choose not to extend his contract when it expired. They went with other qualified medical staff which is in their right. Seemingly none of the teams and drivers have a problem with the current medical team.

Secondly the Doc choose to confront FIA head-on so he could expect repercussions. If I badmouth my former employer constantly on the social media I would fully expect them to contact my current employer or clients to show them what a liability I am/can be when the relationship turns sour.
If he can't stand the heat he should have stayed out of the kitchen.

If this is something FIA should put an effort in is another matter but maybe sentimental reasons (iow the Schumachers) played a part here.
Also it's not the most efficient way to deal with the Doc, offer his current hospital a donation of X-amount (possibly funded by the Schumachers) with the stipulation it will only be donated if Hartstein is exit and he would be out of this job in no time.  ;)

That said I do hope the Doc gets to heal many more people in his current position however I wish someone would force him to STFU and never to hear or read anything from him again.


Hmmm - Advocating bribing a hospital to sack one of their doctors, then having him forcibly shut up isn't one of the best ideas I've read in this thread.

Like him or not, Hartstein is entitled to voice his opinion. To the best of my knowledge he hasn't spread words of hate, just offered an insight into what may have been happing in relation to Michael Schumacher's condition and possible state of health. And one of the reasons why that information was so widely disseminated was the distinct lack of information coming from official Schumacher sources. And Hartstein's comments obviously pissed quite a few people off. However for the FIA to act in such a way is utterly comtemptable, their actions shameful. A disgrace, basically, but then nothing the FIA does surprises me.

Edited by MrPodium, 20 December 2014 - 18:16.


#105 Elba

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Posted 20 December 2014 - 18:14

You're advocating bribery as an incentive to make a person unemployed??

 

Bernie? Is that you?

Haha lol no it's just me Elba  :D

 

Just read the last line I do hope the Doc keeps doing his good medical work for many more years.

However if he continues his vendetta with FIA I expect him to get burned badly. Something he brought on himself.

 

The donation -you call it bribery- suggestion was merely a devil's advocate suggestion.   ;)



#106 CHIUNDA

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Posted 20 December 2014 - 18:42

Pretty informative blog with loyal followers from what I can see. FIA's paranoia is unfortunately lost on me.

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Posted 20 December 2014 - 18:59

I am struggling to follow the 'man who has just been directly criticised by the Doc turns up at his hospital to speak to his bosses because if sentimental feelings towards Schumi' narrative that some seem to be offering up here.

I am downright dumbfounded by those who think you should accept the consequences if you air your opinions regardless of what they might be.

#108 anneomoly

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Posted 20 December 2014 - 19:06

Haha lol no it's just me Elba  :D

 

Just read the last line I do hope the Doc keeps doing his good medical work for many more years.

However if he continues his vendetta with FIA I expect him to get burned badly. Something he brought on himself.

 

The donation -you call it bribery- suggestion was merely a devil's advocate suggestion.   ;)

 

A devil's advocate view is where you take the opposing position to what you really think to promote discussion.

 

Your suggestion of handing over money in return for an illegal activity taking place (which, yes, I call a bribe!) was in line with the rest of your post.

 

And what really, really worries me... if the FIA are willing to try and destroy people who go against them in something as important as driver safety, what else are they doing???


Edited by anneomoly, 20 December 2014 - 19:08.


#109 Elba

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Posted 20 December 2014 - 20:24

A devil's advocate view is where you take the opposing position to what you really think to promote discussion.

 

Your suggestion of handing over money in return for an illegal activity taking place (which, yes, I call a bribe!) was in line with the rest of your post.

 

And what really, really worries me... if the FIA are willing to try and destroy people who go against them in something as important as driver safety, what else are they doing???

Well one man's bribe is another man's donation to charity only when certain conditions are met   ;)

 

Still fair play if the Doc decides to take it to court, should be interesting but I won't hold my breath.

This whole petty affair does nobody any favors, FIA comes out overreacting and the Doc better hope the hospital in Liege keeps him on because other hospitals may think twice about hiring someone with Hartstein's social media behavior when the cooperation comes to an end.



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Posted 20 December 2014 - 20:51

Very much agree with this  :up:

 

Firstly the Doc wasn't fired the FIA just choose not to extend his contract when it expired. They went with other qualified medical staff which is in their right. Seemingly none of the teams and drivers have a problem with the current medical team.

 

Secondly the Doc choose to confront FIA head-on so he could expect repercussions. If I badmouth my former employer constantly on the social media I would fully expect them to contact my current employer or clients to show them what a liability I am/can be when the relationship turns sour.

If he can't stand the heat he should have stayed out of the kitchen.

 

If this is something FIA should put an effort in is another matter but maybe sentimental reasons (iow the Schumachers) played a part here.

Also it's not the most efficient way to deal with the Doc, offer his current hospital a donation of X-amount (possibly funded by the Schumachers) with the stipulation it will only be donated if Hartstein is exit and he would be out of this job in no time.   ;)

 

That said I do hope the Doc gets to heal many more people in his current position however I wish someone would force him to STFU and never to hear or read anything from him again.

 

I would not expect nor condone the bolded part. If I had upset my previous employer I would expect them to take it up with me - either directly or through legal action.



#111 bogi

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Posted 20 December 2014 - 20:52



#112 Peat

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Posted 20 December 2014 - 21:25

Certainly some shady goings on around his firing and now these claims.

However, I don't feel a great deal of sympathy for him. He is the crow on the corpse.



#113 Myrvold

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Posted 21 December 2014 - 00:04

I can provide a screen shot from Twitter of him telling me to " think , don`t yap " when I challenged him. Huge ego.

 

Then do that instead of just writing it again.
 



#114 Murl

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Posted 21 December 2014 - 07:33

Well, if Gary Hartstein is allowed to express his opinion as a private person then who's to say that people who are friends of Michael Schumacher can not act as private people and protect Michael's interests!? Has anyone actually claimed they were there on official FIA business?

 

Hullo? I'm the president of the FIA throwing my weight around.

 

Not in any official capacity....but I am a very important person in my private capacity?

 

Bullies use every lever they can.It is true they prefer to operate under the radar, sunlight is the best disinfectant as they say. 



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Posted 21 December 2014 - 11:18

FIA suits have been watching too many hoodlum movies.



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Posted 21 December 2014 - 12:00

The way the FIA goes about things are just plain stupid imo. The doctors got an axe to gring, so he spouts off. The FIA try to get him sacked. Is this going to shut him up or give him another axe and, if they were successful, a lot more time to write more blogs.

It's a bit petty on both sides, but I think the FIA just shade it



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Posted 21 December 2014 - 12:52

Hullo? I'm the president of the FIA throwing my weight around.

 

Not in any official capacity....but I am a very important person in my private capacity?

 

Bullies use every lever they can.It is true they prefer to operate under the radar, sunlight is the best disinfectant as they say. 

 

What weight? Exactly what kind of authority do you think an FIA top ranking offical has in a random hospital!?
 


Edited by Dolph, 21 December 2014 - 12:56.


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Posted 21 December 2014 - 13:10

What weight? Exactly what kind of authority do you think an FIA top ranking offical has in a random hospital!?
 

Hopefully, absolutely none.



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Posted 21 December 2014 - 14:07

What weight? Exactly what kind of authority do you think an FIA top ranking offical has in a random hospital!?
 

You think being a Professor and the head of the FIA Institute, a body who's sole purpose is the improvement of safety in motorsport, has no weight when he goes to a hospital to converse with fellow professionals in the medical field? And you called me naive!



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#120 anneomoly

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Posted 21 December 2014 - 15:02

You think being a Professor and the head of the FIA Institute, a body who's sole purpose is the improvement of safety in motorsport, has no weight when he goes to a hospital to converse with fellow professionals in the medical field? And you called me naive!

 

You forgot that Liege is also one of the co-ordinating hospitals with Spa circuit so it is involved motorsport directly :p



#121 Imateria

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Posted 21 December 2014 - 16:26

^I didn't know that, though probably should have, thanks.



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Posted 21 December 2014 - 20:35

You think being a Professor and the head of the FIA Institute, a body who's sole purpose is the improvement of safety in motorsport, has no weight when he goes to a hospital to converse with fellow professionals in the medical field? And you called me naive!

Same description as applied to Hartstein, who held the position for longer and has done more for safety than the current incumbent.



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Posted 21 December 2014 - 20:46

Same description as applied to Hartstein, who held the position for longer and has done more for safety than the current incumbent.

Hartstein's never been the head of the FIA Institute, he was the F1 Medical Coordinator, and he's a Doctor, not a Professor. They held/hold very different roles, namely that Saillant's position is head of safety research and how to spend the $100 million "donated" by McLaren back at the end of 2007 while Hartstein ran the trackside medical services and facilities. 

 

I'm not entirely sure what your point was though?


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Posted 21 December 2014 - 20:47

I must admit I have never heard of the present incumbent, somehow I doubt he has the practical experience of Hartstein, after all he would not have spent upwards of 500 days sitting in the medical car with Sid, during which time I am sure they must have spent some time discussing motor racing safety matters, after all there is only so much you can discuss about the architectural attributes of places like Silverstone or Hockenhiem

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Posted 21 December 2014 - 20:56

I don't think anyone had heard of Hartstein until the FIA chose not to renew his contract.



#126 Imateria

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Posted 21 December 2014 - 21:13

I don't think anyone had heard of Hartstein until the FIA chose not to renew his contract.

Shows how little you know.



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Posted 21 December 2014 - 21:36

What weight? Exactly what kind of authority do you think an FIA top ranking offical has in a random hospital!?
 

 

 

Don't know, he obviously figures there is some angle there. Perhaps old boy network, could be anything.



#128 Andy Davies

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Posted 21 December 2014 - 22:23

My only view of Hartstein is from his blog and based on my knowledge of head injuries I think he's given a pretty fair commentary on Schumacher's prospects, plus if he rode around in the medical car for seven years with Sid Watkins I think we can presume his credentials to be an F1 doctor are pretty solid.

 

Hartstien seems to be the only person who's questioning the Bianchi accident report - the FIA tell us what Bianchi did but leaving plenty of questions unanswered e.g. what other drivers do, a if he had slowed down further would he have still lost control due to the lack of downforce, or would going faster made hime safer?

 

There are many questions left unanswered in the summary the FIA released, Todt has always been a political animal, it was always evident in his time at Ferrari so unsurprising he's going after Hartstein, unwise though I'd suggest.



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Posted 22 December 2014 - 01:05

as much as many don't want to hear what harstein has to say the reality is he has largely been proved correc twith regards to michael nad sadly likely to alos be the case with Jules.

 

Others of us had already questioned why that race was being run with the helicopter out of action. the talk of altitude and brain injury whilst true is in fact irrelevant as anyone transporting an acutely injured barin isnt going to do so at high altitude and the patient should hjave long ago been intubated anyways.

 

The race should ahve been black flagged before that accident. People make mistakes all the time but pretending it wasnt a mistake just makes them look foolish.



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Posted 22 December 2014 - 01:30

it's very funny to see, how he reacts when the "shoe is on the other foot"
he feels the need to stress "PRIVACY" (right of), but doens't seem to think the courtesty should be extented to other's, like the family and friends of Schumacher and Bianchi, who would have the same rights - no?
he stresses the right of expressing a opinion (free expression), but condems it, when others (Gérard Saillant) chose to express their opinon (perhaps their private opinion) in the form of a dossir, so how does this add together?

If there is/was nothing wrong with what he did, then why make such a big song and dance about it?
Someone chose to express his opinion in form of a dossier, and according to his own words & standards it's his good (at least legal if not moral) right to do so, so what's all the fuzz about.
The dean of his faculty, will read it, listen to it, and then come to his own conclussion, I'm sure that he will get the opportunity to tell his side of the story as well.
As a side note, one "right" doesn't render other "right's" obsolete, and in many countries (even so called free and democratic ones) you can/will face prosecution for just "expressing a opinion". - if this opinion is considered in violation to other rules/laws.

Also funny to note his "you come to MY HOSPITAL" claim, I don't think he owns it, it's not a private hospital after all.


You don't think there is a difference between expressing an opinion and an attempt to get someone fired? Cause that's what the FIA did.

I'm sure you tell people it's your country even though you don't own it, and you wouldn't be wrong. Neither is he. He works there. Just like how your high school was your school, the place your work is your workplace or company, etc

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Posted 22 December 2014 - 01:35

The race should ahve been black flagged before that accident. People make mistakes all the time but pretending it wasnt a mistake just makes them look foolish.

 

Nitpicking, sorry, but it bugs me.

 

Red flagged.
 

Black flag is shown to a driver who have broken the rules, and is disqualified (in most of the times)



#132 AlanK

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Posted 22 December 2014 - 15:08

Then do that instead of just writing it again.
 

I`ve got nothing to prove and you`ve got to be careful with legal issues online these days especially when dealing with egos like this. In fact Sarah Holt was involved in the same conversation. On my side, not his.

I follow approximately 100 F1 personnel on Twitter. Its such a good source of information. I thought following this guy would add to that but he really does have his own agenda.

As for him being sacked from his current position. Well thats just nonsense. Hes obviously very good at it and saves many lives.

Maybe he should work and not yap.



#133 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 22 December 2014 - 15:11

So you'll claim someone said something, but not show it. Because of possible legal issues. I think you have it a little backwards...



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Posted 22 December 2014 - 15:32

Found it. https://twitter.com/...679648474247168

1) He was right.
2) He was rude.

Let's move along, shall we?



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Posted 22 December 2014 - 15:48

Well...there we go!!!!

That must have taken a bit of digging ANF!?!

Like I said...rude and Sarah Holt also had a dig at him.

It shouldn`t need screen shots for people to believe you though.

 

My point stands. His tone is rude and somewhere else that day in an attempt to be 1st he was diagnosing Bianchis condition on the body language of former colleagues and got it completely wrong.


Edited by AlanK, 22 December 2014 - 15:58.


#136 ANF

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Posted 22 December 2014 - 16:02

Well...there we go!!!!

That must have taken a bit of digging ANF!?!

Like I said...rude and Sarah Holt also had a dig at him.

It shouldn`t need screen shots for people to believe you though.

 

My point stands. His tone is rude and somewhere else that day in an attempt to be 1st he was diagnosing Bianchis condition on the body language of former colleagues and got it completely wrong.

Nah, the advanced search is pretty good. It turned out that the word "yap" wasn't used very often by @former_f1doc on 5 October. :smoking:



#137 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 22 December 2014 - 16:04

Wait, did Bianchi turn out to *not* have a severe head injury?

 

I let out a little titter at someone in the F1 media(and that term is used loosely) taking afront at speculation.



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Posted 22 December 2014 - 16:21

Wait, did Bianchi turn out to *not* have a severe head injury?

 

I let out a little titter at someone in the F1 media(and that term is used loosely) taking afront at speculation.

The part of the conversation i refer to is not in that screenshot. On that day he speculated that Bianchi`s condition was NOT serious going by the body language of someone he was watching on tv. 



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Posted 22 December 2014 - 17:37

The part of the conversation i refer to is not in that screenshot. On that day he speculated that Bianchi`s condition was NOT serious going by the body language of someone he was watching on tv. 

 

These?
 

"Ian's body language does not indicate to me something life-threatening. Only a furtive image, just after he realises that theres another car"

 

- But he is not tensed into that kind of action. Highly speculative what im saying here but he does not seem extremely worried at first

 

I don't think those are too bad, he say it is highly speculative, and it all seemed pretty calm on TV at first.

Then following it up with

 

If there's no champagne its very bad. That was my code to the tower that it was shitful on-scene. No champagne on the podium

 

Like 'everyone' he was speculating, but he have more experience than the majority.



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#140 AlanK

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Posted 22 December 2014 - 18:10

Yes he followed it up with hindsight. We can all do that.

But at the time, as I have said numerous times,he was trying to diagnose Bianchi`s condition by observing someones body language which is ridiculous. And a lot of folk suggested he shoudn`t speculate. He got the drivers condition wrong and the method of evac wrong. So whats the point in speculating?



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Posted 22 December 2014 - 18:13

Everyone speculates based on what they're seeing on screen. What they are, or more importantly what they aren't, showing and the body language and everythign else. Is Harstein specificcally bad for being part of the conversation? At worst he adds as little as anyone else but in other areas he enhances it greatly.

 

But you sure told him so I guess you were the Internet Hero for that day.



#142 AlanK

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Posted 22 December 2014 - 18:26

I`m getting bored of this now

1st of all some of you demand screenshots. This is a forum, not crown court. Besides other posters have since confirmed what I was saying by digging out the material I was referring to.

 

Internet hero? I suggested he stick to the facts thats all. He is in a respected position as a medical professional and is the ex F1 doctor so he is in a different position to the rest of us and boy does he know it.

 

Should he be sacked....no

 

Should the FIA be snooping around his workplace...no

 

However, I feel there is more to that than meets the eye.

 

He claims he is angry at not being retained, not bitter. Hmmm.

 

Anybody, any single one of us can play the speculation card. Here.....Highly speculative but I believe Kimi will get fed up around about Silverstone next year and walk. He will be replaced by Lewis who finds Nico`s cheating to much to handle. Easy isn`t it. Its called yapping I believe


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Posted 22 December 2014 - 20:09

The part of the conversation i refer to is not in that screenshot. On that day he speculated that Bianchi`s condition was NOT serious going by the body language of someone he was watching on tv.

 I assume GH was doing what he spent a lot of time doing, trying to assess the situation from the available evidence at the earliest opportunity - the body language of those present at the scene of any major accident gives you some warning of what you might be about to find. The fact that he was going on the body language of (I assume Ian Roberts who took over his duties in the Medical car) would be a pretty good clue, but of course we do not know at what point he was making the observation, maybe at that point even Roberts was not sure of the situation, so would not be giving out any clues.
As IR is also an experienced motor sport doctor, it is highly unlikely that he would go into 'headless chicken' mode at the sight of a driver still in the car, most rescue crew/doctors I have met tend to keep outwardly calm, even if they might be 'bricking it' inside, as it helps keep the driver calm.
 

These?
 
"Ian's body language does not indicate to me something life-threatening. Only a furtive image, just after he realises that theres another car"
 
- But he is not tensed into that kind of action. Highly speculative what im saying here but he does not seem extremely worried at first
 
I don't think those are too bad, he say it is highly speculative, and it all seemed pretty calm on TV at first.
Then following it up with
 
If there's no champagne its very bad. That was my code to the tower that it was shitful on-scene. No champagne on the podium
 
Like 'everyone' he was speculating, but he have more experience than the majority.

Again these seem pretty reasonable quotes from someone with that level of experience.
I doubt anyone at the scene had much idea of Bianchi's true condition, so everything would be speculation.

Edited by ExFlagMan, 22 December 2014 - 21:23.


#144 Myrvold

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Posted 23 December 2014 - 01:57

I`m getting bored of this now

1st of all some of you demand screenshots. This is a forum, not crown court. Besides other posters have since confirmed what I was saying by digging out the material I was referring to.

 

I suggested he stick to the facts thats all. He is in a respected position as a medical professional and is the ex F1 doctor so he is in a different position to the rest of us and boy does he know it.

 

When you say 2 times that "I can show pictures of", then do that, and don't just say "I can"... It's easier to see it, and read it myself, and make up my opinion on that, than a "he said, she said" from a forum poster. And I've never mentioned it (as I think I was the first who did) after someone found it...

 

That's like saying Martin Brundle, David Coulthard, Jacques Villeneuve and so on should stick to facts, never speculate. They are in a respected position as color-commentators (often expert-commentators) and are supposed to give proper insight.

After all, they are ex F1 drivers, winners, championship winners...

 

All people speculate, experience makes you a tad more likely to guess right, but it doesn't give you less right to speculate.



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Posted 22 January 2015 - 23:49

Now Todt and Saillant are taking legal action against Philippe Streiff. Like Hartstein, he's criticized the Bianchi accident investigation panel.

 

https://danpaddock.w...anchi-comments/



#146 Myrvold

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Posted 12 March 2015 - 01:33

Act 2 have started!

https://formerf1doc....ouement-part-1/

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