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[Kalmake]

Would that have excluded Simona Di Silvestro, Marco Andretti, Matthew Brabham? 

Why them? Yes, they would have been and now are excluded.

[ch103]

The new point system is bogus.  GP2 champ gets more credibility than the Indy Car champ?  No way.  Winning the Indy 500 alone should grant you a super license.

 

F2, a series that is yet to exist, more points than IndyCar?  What?

[wonk123]

DTM seems a bit odd! May as well add V8SC, or maye NASCAR for that matter.

[Kalmake]

DTM is closer to formulas than you might think. Big rear wing and diffuser. Much lighter than stock cars.

[Peter0Scandlyn]

Formula E!!

 

ROFL 

[Prost1997T]

That's interesting, I expected WTCC and DTM to be worth more.

[Victor_RO]

The new point system is bogus.  GP2 champ gets more credibility than the Indy Car champ?  No way.  Winning the Indy 500 alone should grant you a super license.

 

F2, a series that is yet to exist, more points than IndyCar?  What?

 

The WMSC has announced quite a major change to the system, see the previous page. Winning the title in future F2, GP2, Indycar, FIA Euro F3 and LMP1 in the WEC is all worth 40 points now (which is an automatic Super License). The differences are from 1st place down, and other series have also been put on the list.

[alfista]

The new proposal is better than the old one, no doubt. But how on earth does FR3.5 winner earn less points than F3 European champion? Should it mean Euro F3 gives driver more experience? In which department: top speed, downforce, race duration, DRS, pit-stops, PR-work? It still seems FIA wants to get rid of Renault lower formulae and instead promote F3 and F4 at any cost. But then there will be little sense for Renault to stay in F1 as well. Is this what FIA really targets?

Edited by alfista, 11 July 2015 - 10:47.

[HistoryFan]

So I have some questions:

 

1. For the 2016 F1 rookie drivers: Are the last three year counting with the old points, or the new ones? Or the last two with the old points and the 2015 season with the new ones?

 

2. What is the Kart Senior series?

[SealTheDiffuser]

The new proposal is better than the old one, no doubt. But how on earth does FR3.5 winner earn less points than F3 European champion? Should it mean Euro F3 gives driver more experience? In which department: top speed, downforce, race duration, DRS, pit-stops, PR-work? It still seems FIA wants to get rid of Renault lower formulae and instead promote F3 and F4 at any cost. But then there will be little sense for Renault to stay in F1 as well. Is this what FIA really targets?

 

it's better, but still 95% idiotic, it has nothing to with a driver being able to drive in F1 savely, just politics and stupidity.

[Marklar]

National F4 series are more worth than national F3 series, oh dear....

[PayasYouRace]

No kidding

Rankng Indycar over Super Formula or Formula Renault is a bit head scratching to say the least...

Anyone ranking either of those two above Indycar would be mad. Indycar is essentially F1 level of performance. The others are clearly at a 2nd-level

[Prost1997T]

Anyone ranking either of those two above Indycar would be mad. Indycar is essentially F1 level of performance. The others are clearly at a 2nd-level

Rookies can't turn up and dominate, for one thing. Super Formula is definitely undervalued, but it's been a while since it was used as an F1 stepping stone.

Edited by Prost1997T, 11 July 2015 - 15:03.

[Fastcake]

I doubt the FIA care about Indycar. They've only included it out of tradition of granting Indycar champions a super licence.

National F4 series are more worth than national F3 series, oh dear....

Yeah that sure looks stupid. Are there many national F3 series still going though?

[Fisico54]

I don't have a problem with it, the only series it matters for is GP2, GP3, 3.5 and Euro F3 as they are the path to F1. All its doing is stopping a Verstappen style kart to F1 in a year and ensuring only decent drivers get a superlicence.
Point for indycar is pretty irrelevant as it's been a while since anybody made that jump

[rhukkas]

it's ensuring big teams keep drivers in sub-series for long enough or them to get their pay cheques.

[Marklar]

I doubt the FIA care about Indycar. They've only included it out of tradition of granting Indycar champions a super licence.


Yeah that sure looks stupid. Are there many national F3 series still going though?

After that surely not anymore ;)

I knew that the German and British are defunct since they did the first plans for the new superlicence requierments where F4 already was valued higher than national F3. Spain have stil one and I think the UK also a different one. And some overseas.

[alfa1]

I'm quite pleased to see that they've come to their senses on this issue about test drivers...

 

Increasing flexibility for drivers having qualified for a Super Licence, but do not have the opportunity to race in Formula One. These drivers will now keep this possibility for three years (eg. typical F1 test driver situation)

 

...because before now, their rules had Michael Schumacher not qualified to race in 2010, and Pedro de la Rosa not qualified to race in 2010 and 2012.   Like, they had no experience.

[Kalmake]

I'm quite pleased to see that they've come to their senses on this issue about test drivers...

 

Increasing flexibility for drivers having qualified for a Super Licence, but do not have the opportunity to race in Formula One. These drivers will now keep this possibility for three years (eg. typical F1 test driver situation)

 

...because before now, their rules had Michael Schumacher not qualified to race in 2010, and Pedro de la Rosa not qualified to race in 2010 and 2012.   Like, they had no experience.

As I understand it, nothing changed for those cases. There is the exception that lets them hand licenses to drivers who have shown "outstanding ability".

 

The update is good news for the Palmer, Marciello and the like who have earned their 40 points and are now F1 test drivers.

[August]

The real problem here is F1 lacking the difficulty you'd expect from the assumed pinnacle of motorsports, making it sensible to hire inexperienced drivers.

 

I don't particularly like the new super licence points system, it's too much to promote the FIA series; Euro F3 title being worth more than Super Formula title makes no sense. And I'd say all the full-time IndyCar drivers would be qualified enough to race in F1, also in that sense the system just doesn't make sense.

 

I'd just require open-wheel (or LMP1/DTM) experience of three (almost) full seasons, with at least two on F3 level or higher. Euro F3 top 3 could be allowed the super licence with just one year in F3 if they have at least two years in F4, I don't think the switch from F3 to F1 is too big if you have enough experience. Meanwhile, I'd try to make F1 cars more difficult to drive so teams would more likely take drivers with 4+ years of open-wheel experience.

[Marklar]

So according to the Spanish F4 regulations the FIA changed it again



http://f4spain.com/w...s-2016_VDEF.pdf

Strange that nothing changed in the Appendix L of th Sporting Code, though...

[Marklar]

Another change: now points for Formula E and Supercars as well

http://www.f1fanatic...points-changes/

[Prost1997T]

It's still not a great system, considering it's based on the FIA's perception of series strength and still overvalues their own. Consider the F3 grid now compared to 2015... but it still pays 40 points.

[muramasa]

super formula unfairly low imo, deserves at least 30