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[FullThrottleF1]

Gene Haas has told Forbes that the small teams don't work in F1 anymore and that Ecclestone will never allow any new entrants!   

 

I swear Ecclestone is insane...

 

http://www.motorspor...ascar-approach/

 

[Fatgadget]

 

Soo very true Mr Haas. Marussia have gone into liquidation to the tune of 30 odd million. ...Over yonder at McLaren,Alonso has been hired  guess for how much?.Really, is that ironic or what or should that be moronic! And it also won't surprise me Hamilton also being retained by Merc for a figure in that ballpark..Madness.  Tail end charlies the likes of Marussia  Caterham etc are a vital ingredient of the whole caboodle that is F1 FFS  

[Timstr11]

@Fullthtrottle

It's a true statement by Haas.

The cost of fielding a competitive car is way higher than what Marussia and Caterham have budgeted.

It sucks but it's reality. 

Do you expect FOM to allow teams that cannot raise the kind of money required?

The same FOM that is not willing to give more income to teams!?

[MikeV1987]

At least he admits it, but both Caterham and Marussia took the same steps as Haas.

[Slackbladder]

$30m just basically pays for the engine doesn't it...

 

Although i'm starting to have my doubts if Haas is looking for a way now to dump the F1 project if he's saying things like that.

[HoldenRT]

He doesn't have to 'look' for ways to dump it, all he has to do is open his eyes and see all the teams that are crumbling or struggling.

[sopa]

Considering all the comments and the claim that it would take five years of struggle at the back of the field for a new team, I am somewhat surprised Haas has been preparing for an F1 entry. Despite all the potential struggles there are still investors, who see value in this project? What is the current state of affairs?

[Timstr11]

I don't know why everyone is on Haas' case. He sounds like someone who knows what he's getting into and he seems to be in it for the long haul and planning towards this.

He is much better placed than the other teams as capital investments such as windtunnel and machining equipment will be relatively low for him as he owns businesses that already provide these services.

 

His biggest hurdle will be to ensemble the right engineering team and build that up through the years.

Many top level engineers on the market now. I'd try to get them onboard even if only as consultants for now.

Edited by Timstr11, 07 January 2015 - 14:02.

[ardbeg]

F1 was once upon a time party and glamour. Now it leaves a trail of tears.

The sport is impossible to love, it is hard enough to like it enough to follow it.

[onewingedangel]

You have to wonder where Haas running as a Ferrari junior team places Sauber. Surely if there is a team that could benefit from the reduced cost of buying in as much as possible it would be Sauber. If Haas is to be the Ferrari B-team does that leave Sauber out in the cold, or could it also take advantage of the same breaks as Haas to be a Ferrari B-team (making Haas a C-team?).

 

It also raises questions about other teams partnering with larger teams.

 

Toro Rosso and Red Bull. Naturally - unless Toro Rosso finally finds a buyer.

 

Would Williams, Lotus or Force India parter with Mercedes - how would the others react?

 

Would McLaren Honda aim to acquire a B-team of their own?

Edited by onewingedangel, 07 January 2015 - 14:31.

[charly0418]

You have to wonder where Haas running as a Ferrari junior team places Sauber. Surely if there is a team that could benefit from the reduced cost of buying in as much as possible it would be Sauber. If Haas is to be the Ferrari B-team does that leave Sauber out in the cold, or could it also take advantage of the same breaks as Haas to be a Ferrari B-team (making Haas a C-team?).

 

It also raises questions about other teams partnering with larger teams.

 

Toro Rosso and Red Bull. Naturally - unless Toro Rosso finally finds a buyer.

 

Would Williams, Lotus or Force India parter with Mercedes - how would the others react?

 

Would McLaren Honda aim to acquire a B-team of their own?

 

Everyone reduces costs any way they can, other than Toro Rosso-Red Bull there are no real allegiances in F1.

 

Force India for example have a discount on technology parts from McLaren for taking Perez last year, at the same time, they have a discount on Merc engines for taking on Juncadella as a reserve driver last year.

 

Teams gotta keep their mind open and not bound themselves to one team

[BlinkyMcSquinty]

I am of the impression that Haas has carefully thought things through and is a student of the success or failure of other (Caterham, Marussia, USF1) teams. He is definitely not jumping into the deep end of the pool without the proper preparation, planning, and finances in place.

 

The most important thing I take away from this is that Haas are not attempting to do it all themselves, but instead lean on the experience and expertise of others (Ferrari) to get them through this "learning" period. Because he has already linked the fortunes of his outfit with Ferrari, Ferrari cannot allow them to fail, and thus will provide a lot of visible and invisible support. Formula One is full of politics (if there was ever an understatement, this is it), and with Haas under Ferrari protection, it's nice to have the most political team of all on their side.

[HoldenRT]

I don't know why everyone is on Haas' case. He sounds like someone who knows what he's getting into and he seems to be in it for the long haul and planning towards this.

He is much better placed than the other teams as capital investments such as windtunnel and machining equipment will be relatively low for him as he owns businesses that already provide these services.

 

His biggest hurdle will be to ensemble the right engineering team and build that up through the years.

Many top level engineers on the market now. I'd try to get them onboard even if only as consultants for now.

 

I agree he seems more awake than other owners and is aware of a lot of the dangers.  It's just that the odds are against him or any new team.  If any new team could have a chance to come in and make it, it seems that he has the best chance.

[Fatgadget]

F1 was once upon a time party and glamour. Now it leaves a trail of tears.

The sport is impossible to love, it is hard enough to like it enough to follow it.

Nonsense! F1 is mesmeric far as I'm concerned.The twists and turns are the ingredients that make it so alluring! 

[jonpollak]

Well Said McSquinty

Jp