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#1 AD2B

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Posted 17 January 2015 - 22:54

After hearing so much about WEC and how it's meant to be an all together different class of racing, I'm planning to start watching come April - I may even attempt to attend 6 hours of Silverstone and it's only down the road from me.....

 

However, I'm at a loss as I don't actually understand how the series works. Could someone give me an run down of 'everything you need to know.' 

 

Firstly, different car classes confuse me. Are they all competing in the same championship? How are points awarded? How does qualifying work? Basically, anything I need to know, please do tell. 

 

 



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#2 Exb

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Posted 17 January 2015 - 23:30

Pretty sure there are a lot of people on hear who can answer your questions way better than I can as I'm fairly new to following WEC after falling in love with it during Le Mans 2012, and then starting to watch the other rounds from 2013. I went to Silverstone for the race last year and can definitely recommend it (even though it was freezing and I nearly drowned in the torrential rain in the final hour).
Anyway the basics I think I've picked up are as follows:

Car classes:
LMP1 (The quickest cars) - Le Mans Prototypes - produced especially for endurance racing. Factory teams Audi, Porsche, Toyota, Nissan. (Run Hybrid engine systems) and privateers Rebellion/Lotus were in there own category last year without the hybrid system. (although these may be merged into 1 class this year?)

LMP2 - produced especially for endurance racing but much cheaper to enter as chassis and engine can be bought in from specialist manufacturers which have cost restrictions on them.

GTE pro - sports cars (road legal) driven by professional drivers
GTE am - as above but a year old car with only 1 professional driver (the others being amateurs).

Between 2 or 3 drivers per car.
Qualifying is decided by an average of the fastest lap from 2 drivers per car.

Each individual category is racing in their own championship so receive points (and podiums) accordingly.

Points are awarded similar to F1 (25, 18, 15 etc) except Le Mans which is double points.
All rounds except the Le Mans 24hrs are 6 hour races.

Edited by Exb, 17 January 2015 - 23:32.


#3 Amphicar

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Posted 17 January 2015 - 23:55

There's an FIA website devoted to the WEC: http://www.fiawec.com/



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Posted 17 January 2015 - 23:58

Also, the LMP1 cars can choose between a diesel or a petrol car and can either have a turbo or not. They also have a lot of freedom in choosing their energy recovery systems 1) where they recover energy from and 2) how much they store it, 3) how they store it,4) how they release it. So this is subdivided into 2 / 4 / 6 & 8 MJ (megajoule) configuration. Since Audi, Porsche and Toyota have wildly different configurations they're power is balanced during the season. This adds a lot of unfairness into the situation, but in a 24 hours race most of it is decided by reliability and the ability to avoid incidents. To mitigate risks Audi ran 3 cars in Le Mans to Porsche's and Toyota's 2. Also, Audi's systems were a lot less complicated in 2014 which means there are less systems to fail.


Edited by Dolph, 17 January 2015 - 23:59.


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Posted 18 January 2015 - 01:39

Dunno.. who's doing Rolex 24hrs thread?

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Jp


Edited by jonpollak, 18 January 2015 - 01:40.


#6 Dolph

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Posted 18 January 2015 - 02:13

You are



#7 V8 Fireworks

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Posted 18 January 2015 - 02:45

After hearing so much about WEC and how it's meant to be an all together different class of racing, I'm planning to start watching come April - I may even attempt to attend 6 hours of Silverstone and it's only down the road from me.....

 

 

There are no WEC races in Australia.  Bastards.  :down:  :down:  :down:  :down:  :down:  :down:  :down:



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Posted 18 January 2015 - 04:16

However, I'm at a loss as I don't actually understand how the series works. Could someone give me an run down of 'everything you need to know.' 

 

It's easy, actually: you just watch Webber not win for six hours, instead of the usual one and half - to two hours.



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Posted 18 January 2015 - 07:44

Actually, Webber doesnt drive for anywhere near 6 hours except for maybe at Le Mans.

In a regular 6hr wec race, there are driver changes and minimum/maximum drive time for each pilot assigned to a car. If they dont drive for the minimum amount, they dont score points (unless the race is shortened by weather etc).

Lmp= Le Mans prototypes; Lmp1 is the fastest class (about 5-10 seconds slower than f1) and have a fuel allowance formula they run to. Like F1 they have a metered flow thats measured. The class mandates factory teams use hybrid powertrains. Private teams get to run less weight, more fuel, and more (engine) power. Lmp1 have professional drivers.

Lmp2 is the second fastest class, specifically for private teams. They run customer chassis's and engines based on production units. Lmp2 have a maximum of 2 (out of 3) professional drivers and one "gentleman" driver.

GTE= Grand Touring Endurance; GTE PRO are racing sportscars based on road cars. Cars Like the Porsche 911, Aston Martin Vantage and Ferrari 458 Italia. The PRO class is made up of factory teams with professional drivers.

GTE AM features the same cars as GTE PRO, but limited to the same driver classification as Lmp2; maximum two professionals. The class usually consists of well-off (financially) gentleman owners and/or drivers.

The races are 6hrs in length besides the 24hrs of Le Mans in mid-June. They visit the same types of circuits F1 hold races at. Silverstone, Spa, Le Mans, Nurburgring, COTA, Fuji, Shanghai, Bahrain as of 2015.

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Posted 18 January 2015 - 09:37

There are no WEC races in Australia.  Bastards.  :down:  :down:  :down:  :down:  :down:  :down:  :down:

 

You got a FIA WEC grade circuit down there?
 



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Posted 18 January 2015 - 11:06

You got a FIA WEC grade circuit down there?
 

 

Isn't Eastern Creek graded as FIA Grade 1T or 2 at least?



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Posted 18 January 2015 - 11:21

Isn't Eastern Creek graded as FIA Grade 1T or 2 at least?

 

Looks like its Grade 2, which at least a few years ago was sufficient for LMP. So there you go then. The Australians can host a WEC race. So who's stopping them!?



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Posted 18 January 2015 - 14:12

So who's stopping them!?

 

The FIA, clearly. :p

 

They'd much rather go to COTA, Shanghai, Fuji and Bahrain than a track that actually has character...



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Posted 18 January 2015 - 14:17

No tracks in Japan are short of character. Shanghai and CoTA pull in crowds although it's still hard to escape the feeling that there are 3 more prestigious sportscar venues (plus Long Beach) sitting in the USC calendar right now.

 

I guess the best way to understand the Bahrain round is that the state pays an enormous fee to bring the WEC circus there, so its ruling family and hangers-on get to talk sales at the hospitality suites. I bet Ferrari, Porsche and Aston Martin get a lot of names in their order books from that event.



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Posted 19 January 2015 - 01:53

As Exb pointed out, there are four distinct classes. So each class runs at different speeds. And since races run many hours, one constant is that there will always be faster cars attempting to pass slower cars. Most of the time, it doesn't get stupid, the slower cars get out of the way of any faster car coming up from behind. But occasionally we may see two or three cars of the same class fighting for position, and reluctant to back out to allow a much faster LMP car by.

 

Where Formula One has the strategic complexity of tic-tac-toe, in endurance racing it is incredibly complex. There are driver changes, many pit stops, and usually if a car gets damaged, it limps back to the pits, gets repaired, then gets back on the track. The cars are much stronger and durable.

 

Formula One is a niche sport, only twenty drivers have the honor of driving each year, the money side of the business dominates, and it is driven purely by results. But there are thousands of very good professional drivers and sportsmen drivers. The GT classes are similar to road-going sportscars, thus there are many different types. The fields are huge, and thus many cars and drivers participate purely for the passion of motorsport. Of course they all have to be good to participate at this high level, but the love of racing and sportsmanship is felt a lot more.

 

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Posted 19 January 2015 - 04:17

It's easy, actually: you just watch Webber not win for six hours, instead of the usual one and half - to two hours.

 

 

No 1 Schumacher fan  :eek:

 

Webber calling Mansell a whinger, bwahaha, pot kettle black?  :lol:  :)

 

* Not a FIA grade 1 circuit, lol.  But Phillip Island and Eastern Creek should be close enough.  :D


Edited by V8 Fireworks, 19 January 2015 - 04:18.


#17 jonpollak

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Posted 19 January 2015 - 14:49

You are

Nuh Uh..

I did it in 2012

Gotta a get one of these idiot savants to take up the mantle.

 

Jp



#18 noikeee

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Posted 19 January 2015 - 16:40

After hearing so much about WEC and how it's meant to be an all together different class of racing, I'm planning to start watching come April - I may even attempt to attend 6 hours of Silverstone and it's only down the road from me.....

 

However, I'm at a loss as I don't actually understand how the series works. Could someone give me an run down of 'everything you need to know.' 

 

Firstly, different car classes confuse me. Are they all competing in the same championship? How are points awarded? How does qualifying work? Basically, anything I need to know, please do tell. 

I'm not a regular watcher of the WEC but what I can tell you is that the easiest way to look at it, is as if each class is in a different race. So you have 4 races going on at the same time: the LMP1 race, the LMP2 race, the GTE Pro and the GTE AM. Cars from different classes won't fight each other as they're in separate races. Each class has its own separate championship.
 
There's huge speed differences between classes, and the races are 6 hours long, so there's constant traffic of cars lapping each other. This means that cars rarely get to ever do a clean lap without any traffic, therefore losing as little time as possible in traffic and avoid incidents whilst lapping/being lapped, are hugely valuable skills. Also taking advantage of traffic to overtake others. It's not uncommon to watch for example the GT cars battling for the lead whilst being caught by the LMP1 cars at the same time, with a LMP2 car in the mix. These awkward situations bring high risk but also chances to overtake.
 
Other important differences to F1 are that the cars are shared by various drivers (usually 3), as the races are just too long for one single driver, therefore the 3 of them will have to drive with the same setup. Having quick driver changes will be important to strategy (this is related to the design of the car - certain cars are quicker to get in/out of), and strategy will be more complex than F1 as there's refuelling, tyres last a lot longer, and there's far more pitstops in a race as the races are much longer! You're also pretty much guaranteed there'll be at least one safety car in 6 hours, more in the 24h of Le Mans.
 
Since drivers share cars and typically stay together for the season, usually you don't get 1 single driver champion, instead the 3 of them will share the prize. This occasionally isn't true as drivers in rare situations change cars during season, or have to be replaced for 1 race due to injury, other commitments, etc. Anyway even if there is a drivers championship, endurance racing is a lot more about "the team" than "the driver". This is kind of the opposite of F1 where the constructors championship is a forgotten footnote and all attention is on the star drivers. Here people will more readily say "Toyota won" than "Buemi and Davidson won" as it's all so much of a team effort.
 
Traditionally this type of racing was a lot more about reliability than actual speed, as reaching the end of the (long) race was already a feat and drivers drove at 90% to save the car; but in recent years with the increased reliability and fiercer competition, cars are now driven pretty much at the limit all race long. However, the ability to keep the car running without problems for a long time is still obviously hugely important.
 
Cars are also arguably technologically more advanced than F1 with the rules being more open to more development in more areas, you will have 4 manufacturers fighting for the LMP1 and overall titles this year (Audi, Toyota, Porsche, Nissan), however even the LMP1 cars are still slower than F1, mostly due to the rules mandating more weight.
 
The big race of the 24h of Le Mans brings additional challenges, beyond the length that is 3 times as long and needs sheer endurance from everyone involved. Since it's 24h long they get to drive through the day and night, a particularly difficult time is in the morning as the sun rising hurts visibility, and everybody is mega tired already at that stage. There are often accidents at that point of the race.

Edited by noikeee, 19 January 2015 - 16:54.