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[LORDBYRON]

http://www.autosport...raking-problems

[RSRally]

What are Haas' plans regarding 2017?

Are they moving more towards designing and building their own car next year?

[LORDBYRON]

What are Haas' plans regarding 2017?

Are they moving more towards designing and building their own car next year?

No IIRC they said they would keep with the current plan for some time.

Only think they will be doing is fixing there breaks from spliting in to two parts if I read the article correct wich is rarther bad

[LORDBYRON]

What are Haas' plans regarding 2017?

Are they moving more towards designing and building their own car next year?

No IIRC they said they would keep with the current plan for some time.

Only thing they will be doing is fixing there breaks from spliting in to two parts if I read the article correct wich is rarther bad

Edited by LORDBYRON, 29 October 2016 - 07:42.

[sopa]

There is one thing I am pondering about Haas' future prospects.

 

Before the 2016 season there were rumours that Ferrari/Haas exploited a "new team" loophole, which arguably meant that Haas got unlimited (?) amount of windtunnel testing. This contributed to Haas being so well on the pace especially early in the year. But by now and for next year this loophole has closed. Does it mean Haas will have a harder time to produce a competitive car?

[loki]

There is one thing I am pondering about Haas' future prospects.

 

Before the 2016 season there were rumours that Ferrari/Haas exploited a "new team" loophole, which arguably meant that Haas got unlimited (?) amount of windtunnel testing. This contributed to Haas being so well on the pace especially early in the year. But by now and for next year this loophole has closed. Does it mean Haas will have a harder time to produce a competitive car?

The loophole was using furloughed staff from other teams.  That was closed.  The restrictions on testing, tunnel time and CFD cycles is the same as it's been for any established team.  Any new team would still be allowed unlimited tunnel and CFD time until they start competing in the series.

[coppilcus]

But they're struggling more with the mechanics and software of the car... Gene himself that what he knew and expected F1 to be was exceeded by quite a few times more.

Their biggest concerns are brake by wire...

[markelov74]

P17 and P21, very bad quali

[Nathan]

Have Haas had much aero development this season?

[loki]

Have Haas had much aero development this season?

They quit developing new parts well before the break.  Anything they introduced since then was in the pipeline already.  In June Steiner told Noble they had moved the development focus to the 2017 car.  He did mention the wing the recently tried and a few bits.  http://www.motorspor...-f1-car-793663/

 

"We are still discussing a front wing update, but we are not 100 percent sure if we want to do it or not," he said. "We need to see if the gain is big enough to do it, or if it is a distraction.

"There are small parts in aero but they are all signed off and in production, but there is no big aero development.

"Once you develop something in the wind tunnel it takes them still two or three months afterwards to put it into production. In the wind tunnel is one thing but to make a part to put it onto the car is another one."

[Lord_Shaitan]

It's penultimate round and we have Haas car on 7th position in qualifying, on merit! Only behind the big three. I belive they had increadibly strong package at the begining of the season but due to many factors weren't able to fully extract the potential. Glimpses of serious competitiveness like in Bahrain, Japan, Brasil are simply not enough. Their problems are numerous and we can enumerate for example: no experience as a team (no previous car and track data), limited human resources, many technical issues affecting friday's preparation, etc. I'm just curious how many points an experienced team like Williams or Force India would have scored with VF-16...

 

IMHO a good sign for the next season is their in-season car development which seems to have a positive impact on car competitivenes (at least they didn't screw up). I expect them to lose some ground in next year but maybe with better car understanding and with some data history won't be that bad.

 

BTW. Absolutely top class performance from Grosjean today .

[quickndirty]

Nothing to say that Haas can’t be one of the stronger midfield teams. However, next year will be tough due to the new regulations. They will have to do the entire work by themselves. The good news is that they have the full 2017 Ferrari package.

[l8apex]

Did Haas switch to the Carbon Industries brakes for the rest of the weekend?

 

I've only heard that they tested the Brembo and Carbon Industries in practice, but it wasn't clear which one they are going to use for the weekend.

[loki]

Nothing to say that Haas can’t be one of the stronger midfield teams. However, next year will be tough due to the new regulations. They will have to do the entire work by themselves. The good news is that they have the full 2017 Ferrari package.

 

They are designing and building the car as they did last year.  The only difference is the use of furloughed engineering staff.  They've hired since them to replicate the staff and they've been working at the Haas operation based in Dallara since spring/early summer.  From a tool utilization standpoint they will be limited as a current team in terms of CFD and tunnel time.  I don't know that they'll struggle anymore than they did this season.  In any case, it's certainly not going to be easy.

 

 

Did Haas switch to the Carbon Industries brakes for the rest of the weekend?

 

I've only heard that they tested the Brembo and Carbon Industries in practice, but it wasn't clear which one they are going to use for the weekend.

 

Grosjean is using Carbon Industries for the remainder of the weekend.   http://www.motorspor...erlagos-849423/

 

When the broadcast showed the team working on the brakes in FP1 Matchett commented that they shouldn't be struggling to get the calipers off as they were.  They were really fighting it.  He had an explanation of how the componentry works together showing what the team was talking about in Mexico when they were saying tolerances and material were the source of the issues.  It's not the brake parts per se (other teams use those exact same parts) but how the entire assembly is integrated in the car including the suspension geometry and cooling concerns.  IOW, they have a design issue.

[Viryfan]

According to Grosjean the VF16 was 10kg overweight which meant they had a structural 3.5 tenths disadvantage versus the competition.

 

http://www.f1i.com/m...t-haas-tique/2/

[Nathan]

I'm sure your French is better, but I read that as Romain's car had the excessive weight because he is 8kg heavier than Esteban.  In other words Haas was around the weight limit on one car, but over with the other.  Did I mis-interpret?

[Wes350]

I'm sure your French is better, but I read that as Romain's car had the excessive weight because he is 8kg heavier than Esteban.  In other words Haas was around the weight limit on one car, but over with the other.  Did I mis-interpret?

 

Either way it seems that the HAAS was not light enough to compensate for the extra kilos from a bigger driver.

[RainyAfterlifeDaylight]

HAAS could have removed radio device from Romain Grosjean's car to compensate a little bit of the heaviness of his car and stop him radioing for the sake of team 

 

Edited by RYARLE, 19 December 2016 - 18:57.