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Poll: How much would you pay for F1 online channel? (197 member(s) have cast votes)

Price per month

  1. £0 (65 votes [32.99%])

    Percentage of vote: 32.99%

  2. £1 - £5 (45 votes [22.84%])

    Percentage of vote: 22.84%

  3. £6 - £10 (60 votes [30.46%])

    Percentage of vote: 30.46%

  4. £11 - £15 (15 votes [7.61%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.61%

  5. > £15 (12 votes [6.09%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.09%

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#1 B3ndy

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Posted 26 January 2015 - 19:30

This weekend I spend a good few hours following the excellent WRC coverage via their WRC+ online app. If you haven't seen this before its online video on demand, it has some great apps and loads of current and past coverage. Considering the mauling the current F1 coverage providers are getting another thread I thought I would post the following poll.

 

So, imagine getting your dose of F1 via a dedicated online channel, lets just say its race weekend coverage. What would you be happy to pay for a monthly subscription? I'm fascinated to do the maths, it might also indicate to FOM how much of an opportunity they are missing. 

 

Update: I believe the point about free to air is actually misleading and have taken it off. The poll is about the value you would associate monthly for a F1 VOD app / site and not a comparison with existing services.


Edited by B3ndy, 28 January 2015 - 08:58.


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#2 hamilton10000

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Posted 26 January 2015 - 19:33

I would say around £3-£5 per races but only if I could watch it on absolutely any device and not just limit to 1 or 2 devices like sky go does. I would also expect them to have lots of pre and post race coverage for all the sessions and the support races as well. 



#3 Ducks

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Posted 26 January 2015 - 19:44

Maybe have some kind of season pass that costs around $200, allows you to watch on up to two devices at a time with an archive to every F1 race of the past 25 years or so.



#4 ANF

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Posted 26 January 2015 - 20:16

I assume all the content, including the commentary, would be made by FOM? Thanks, but no thanks.



#5 RedBaron

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Posted 26 January 2015 - 20:22

If the service was reliable and good quality; up to £10 a month. I pay nearly that for Netflix's Ultra HD stream and for that you get a whole lot of shows/movies and exclusive content all day everyday. F1 would be 2-3 weekends a month at best and only for a few hours at a time.



#6 B3ndy

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Posted 26 January 2015 - 20:27

There are some interesting things happening such as Dish in the US, they are offering ESPN for $20 per month on an on demand basis (sling tv) on virtually every device (announced at CES a few weeks ago). ESPN is the gold of most cable packages but by breaking it up I'd bet they are going to make a fortune.

 

Source: http://www.theverge....sling-tv-review



#7 mdecarle

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Posted 26 January 2015 - 20:37

The RedBaron 's 10 / month for live coverage of practice, qualifications and race plus a enveloping program with at least the grid and podium, possibly interviews and analysis (So what BBC does when they go live). The Ducks 's 20 / month with added repeats, highlights and "classics" (like old races), which I probably would not subscribe to.

 

I would hope if they do this, they would get BBC to do the production/commentary. I will want a good separate timing/information screen. Oh, and it needs to work in Windows and not be geolocked!



#8 TomNokoe

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Posted 26 January 2015 - 20:43

£4.99 per GP or a £60 season pass.

HD stream of the World Feed of every F1 session. Commentary from FTA BBC as it would not hinder Sky's personal package, but be able to switch from TV to radio. Full access to the live timing app.

Extra packages:
£5.99/£75 SP for full onboard access and extra camera angles.

£7.99/£100 SP for GP2 and GP3 access.

Edited by TomNokoe, 26 January 2015 - 20:43.


#9 mdecarle

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Posted 26 January 2015 - 20:45

Although, I feel F1 coverage needs to be free to air. Reach as much viewers as possible. The logos need us to see them, how else are we going to choose our bank, phone operator, deodorants or alcohol drinks?



#10 Atreiu

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Posted 26 January 2015 - 20:45

I forgot how much I pay for my subscription for MotoGP, but whatever it is, I'd easily double it for F1 for the same service. But only as long as there was a vast ammount of archive footage from at least the past 30 years.

 

edit: Jesus you guys are cheap. Be realistic, it's a service, not a favour.


Edited by Atreiu, 26 January 2015 - 20:49.


#11 chunder27

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Posted 26 January 2015 - 21:01

I would pay a tenner per month if I could decide what I wanted to watch overall.

 

If you think about it, SKY tell you what you can watch for your chosen budget, you are not allowed a say other than yes or no.

 

If I was able to pay a certain amount to watch NASCAR, F1, MotoGP, Supercross, WRX and a few other things and everything else from that channel was blanked off I would happily pay it.

 

I would like to subsidise the sports I prefer to watch, not rugby, football or the other way round. If motorsports is not able to cover its costs, then it should be free to air.

 

This cretinous obsession that all sport should suddenly be paid for alongside everything else you pay for is nothing to do with quality, it's to do with greed, accountants and monopolies!  And they say freedom of choice is always good?  I veer to disagreeing on this one.

 

Noone here is being cheap, what we are being is fleeced, if you are daft enough to pay tens of Euro's per year to watch a service that was pretty much free 4 years ago, who is the fool?  Is it THAT much better?  No of course it's not. What is better is there marketing telling you are getting a good deal and saps who then are happy to pay it. Dorna make more than enough money fella, selling races to the higest bidders instead of going to good tracks. If its a service why werent we paying for it 5, 10 or 15 years ago? 

 

Oh and about archive footage, I have most of it recorded, that was free I think?  lol


Edited by chunder27, 26 January 2015 - 21:02.


#12 pdac

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Posted 26 January 2015 - 21:06

This is what Bernie et al failed to understand. Here we have a forum of fans (not just the general casual viewers) and 25% of them would not want to pay any money and over 50% would not want to pay more than a fiver.



#13 tifosiMac

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Posted 26 January 2015 - 21:10

Free to air ideally with FOM slashing a bit of the greed and selling the rights for what it's actually worth! Seriously though if I did have to pay I'd pay maybe £10 a month maximum. I think F1 is currently trading off the fact it's promoters think it's more popular than it actually is.

#14 Mat13

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Posted 26 January 2015 - 21:11

I'd pay roughly £150 a year- my bloody licence fee. I don't think paid viewing does the sport any favours, it's only dedicated fans who are likely to take part. Seeing that FOM are chasing this fabled casual viewer, the only way forward is free to air. That's in my mind anyway- I'm don't work in telly, probably for good reason.

#15 Elba

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Posted 26 January 2015 - 21:13

Good thread!  :up:

 

I think it will show why FOM has opted for their current model and sell all F1 rights (including the online bit) to local networks.

 

The criticism and moaning about pay TV, no online viewing offers, disappearing YouTube content et all is rife with many fans but once they have to put their money where their mouth is there's zilch.... 

Fans have all kinds of great ideas how the F1 content should be presented or available to them but when it involves getting out their wallet a myriad of excuses comes up.

 

I want to have access to every F1 session in full with camera features and would love to have easy access to the vaults with earlier content.

That to me would be worth about 15 euro a race or 300 euro a year with full access to everything.



#16 chumma

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Posted 26 January 2015 - 21:14

F1 Digital was a good idea but too far ahead of its time and not widespread enough. Do Germany still have Premiere? If F1 did something similar to MotoGP that would be a big step in the right direction. Season pass, multi screen etc, choose your language, watch classics, watch last few seasons races, stream all sessions live in HD. Winner. But its Bernie...and the internet still doesn't matter apparently.



#17 goingthedistance

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Posted 26 January 2015 - 21:19

I pay £120ish pounds per year for an NFL Gamepass and I feel that it's worth it. I'd probably pay a little more for a similar F1 VOD service that showed all sessions.



#18 Exb

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Posted 26 January 2015 - 21:22

Well I currently have to take the sky sports package from virgin media just to watch F1 (I rarely watch anything else on the sports channels and I wouldn't miss them if I didn't have them) - so if the coverage was enough to be able to replace Sky then anything under £30 per month would be a saving for me.

#19 JHSingo

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Posted 26 January 2015 - 21:53

I'll be brutally honest and say I'd pay absolutely nothing at all.

But that's based on the fact that I still refuse to subscribe to Sky, and simply stream the live races that they have exclusivity to.

 

I watch TV so rarely that I never have, and never will, fork out for extra channels. It would be the same situation even if it was online.


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#20 SenorSjon

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Posted 26 January 2015 - 22:00

Sorry, I'm used to FTA and that is going to stay. As consumer you are the product. If every sport I want to see starts asking € 10-15/month, following it would get very expensive.

 

I'm happy MotoGP just made it's FTA return over here. :clap:



#21 Watkins74

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Posted 26 January 2015 - 22:06

Zero.

 

Plenty of other of options to fill my time with and spend my money on. Number one being sleep considering the time we get most races in the USA.


Edited by Watkins74, 26 January 2015 - 22:06.


#22 Nonesuch

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Posted 26 January 2015 - 22:25

The WEC 2014 season online subscription was €20 if I remember correctly, and I bought that because I couldn't get the full uninterrupted races live on TV. I think I got my money's worth out of that one, even though it didn't include Le Mans, and was for some reason tied to the platform on which you purchased it (PC, iOS or Android) - which wasn't the most ideal situation.

There is still quite a few options to watch F1 for free on TV, so I wouldn't purchase anything at the moment, and I don't care for full weekend coverage as I tend to only watch the race itself.

Edited by Nonesuch, 26 January 2015 - 22:27.


#23 dweller23

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Posted 26 January 2015 - 22:58

I'd love to have such service for Indycars, up to 5 euros per month. Not sure I would pay for F1, I like to watch it, but in recent years I pay more attention to Nascar and Indycars I think.



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Posted 26 January 2015 - 23:09

I'm already watching free practices on web streams, because hungarian coverage only has the quali and the race, and the latter, well, I'm watching that in pubs with friends. so for me it is 0 € per month, and quali goes either streams or pubs, depending on current mood.



#25 Afterburner

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Posted 26 January 2015 - 23:17

Depends on what they offer. If it's just a stream of the race with viewing later, then I'm not paying a cent because IMSA offers that for free. If it's access to all the on-board cameras during the broadcast plus a few track-side ones as well as live timing and scoring, and the ability to re-watch the 'stock' feed of the race or any sessions whenever, then I'd be willing to shell out around $30 per year.



#26 FerrariV12

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Posted 26 January 2015 - 23:25

If available for download post-race, and including historical races, they could - within reason - name their price.

 

If it's just streaming, then thanks but no thanks. I'd rather watch on a TV without freezes and cut-outs.



#27 as65p

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Posted 26 January 2015 - 23:34

Pay? Wut pay?

 

 ;)

 

Now seriously, I already do pay around 5 a month for a VPN Service to be able and watch the BBC races from Germany. The rest I find myself watching... hm... by other ways. And all that despite Germany providing coverage of all races free-to-air, that should tell you how unbearable our local commentary team is, well for me at least.

 

For a reliable good quality streaming service of all sessions all season, with commentary of roughly Sky/BBC quality in either english or german, I'd probably dish out 15 to 20 Euro a month without thinking twice about it.



#28 Jerem

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Posted 27 January 2015 - 01:46

There was an era when sex was safe and motor racing was dangerous.

 

There was an era when you could watch F1 for free and had to pay for porn...



#29 scolbourne

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Posted 27 January 2015 - 02:12

The poll gives rather a false idea of how much people would be willing to spend as their is a free to air option.

 

If there was no FTA  , how much would people be willing to spend ?

 

I expect the answer would be quite a lot, but what can happen is that you can go to a club to watch the races instead. I was horrified when I moved to New Zealand for a year and discovered that F1 was not shown on TV (back in 1990). I soon discoverd where it was accessible and ended up visiting clubs at really stupid times, like 4:00am to watch the satellite broadcast from Hong Kong. I also discovered that it was a much better chat up line than I expected as I was always accompanied by a group of English and Scandinavian girls who were also addicts.
 



#30 muramasa

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Posted 27 January 2015 - 04:25

I'd pay $100...maybe up to $150... per season if it's full sky uk feed that's on offer. Ideally integrate all countries feed and viewers can choose whatever country's channels they wish whenever they wish is nice, shud be quite easy to do.



#31 BlinkyMcSquinty

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Posted 27 January 2015 - 05:02

Zilch. I am very comfortable with FTA and even if I had no option, I still have the option of watching other racing series for free. Indycar is free, So is NASCAR, baseball, football (both types), hockey, World Cup, Olympics, basketball and porn.

 

I do wonder if cultural differences are relevant in this poll. IMO Europeans are used to PPV while in the Americas we are comfortable with a free market where advertising pays for broadcasts.



#32 Lazy

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Posted 27 January 2015 - 06:40

I'd rather pay per race, 5 Euros say.



#33 teejay

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Posted 27 January 2015 - 06:50

I pay about $200 AUD to have NBA streaming.

 

I can watch whatever game I want, when I want through the season

 

I watch daily/weekly shows about the sport.

 

I can do it in my own time which is vital.

 

I would happily pay $100 AUD for 20 reasons a year with archives etc. This should be an ADDITON to coverage, not the only coverage. Vital.



#34 teejay

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Posted 27 January 2015 - 06:51

The technology already exists within broadcasting, FOM, and F1. Make it happen.

 

Sky can get some $$ to show their weekly F1 show etc and they contribute massive content



#35 ensign14

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Posted 27 January 2015 - 08:53

Right now, nothing.  Got the telly.

 

If they had something though where you could subscribe and watch every bit of archive footage that FOM owns, along the lines of 4od (Channel 4's archive of programmes - watched some of Vic Reeves Big Night Out last night), then I'd gladly stump up something.  A tenner per month perhaps.  After all, it would cost them buttons to upload it all.



#36 SenorSjon

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Posted 27 January 2015 - 08:57

Zilch. I am very comfortable with FTA and even if I had no option, I still have the option of watching other racing series for free. Indycar is free, So is NASCAR, baseball, football (both types), hockey, World Cup, Olympics, basketball and porn.

 

I do wonder if cultural differences are relevant in this poll. IMO Europeans are used to PPV while in the Americas we are comfortable with a free market where advertising pays for broadcasts.

 

I think it is the other way round. Americans can have very expensive cable subscriptions while Europeans had FTA. Now they are switching to paywalls, viewers exit en masse. Just watch the results in France and Italy with those subscriptions.

 

If there is no FTA available, I would stop watching. I tried MotoGP via some darker corners of the internet the past few years, but the stream quality is a bit low for a 65" plasma.  ;)  You can hardly distinguish the riders. Luckily Eurosport got the rights so from now on, we can watch it again.

 

If F1 goes the same route (ie no FTA available), I'll find something else to do on those 20 free Sundays. I watch F1 out of habit, hoping every year I get some of my past interest back. But it is a less appealing product than it was years ago. 


Edited by SenorSjon, 27 January 2015 - 08:58.


#37 learningtobelost

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Posted 27 January 2015 - 09:20

I currently watch the BBC races and pay £6.99 per race to Now TV for the races that are televised on Sky.

We have been trained to think that media has little commercial value, Spotify/Netflix etc. give away their content for next to nothing.  Paying an extra say £20 a month for a single sport stream service would seem poor value at around 3 times the price of Netflix. The danger of course is that the low cost streaming model is completely unsustainable at the prices they are being offered long term.



#38 Buttoneer

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Posted 27 January 2015 - 09:36

Now I'm now confused now by the Now TV offering now. I thought it was £10 per day?

#39 tifosiMac

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Posted 27 January 2015 - 10:00

I currently watch the BBC races and pay £6.99 per race to Now TV for the races that are televised on Sky.

I notice they have increased the cost of the sports pass on Now TV for 2015. It was previously £5.99 for 24 hours access and this meant F1 fans had to pay twice to watch qualifying and the race. You would think with dwindling interest they would at least try and tempt people with some value. If it was £5.99 for Saturday and Sunday with recording facility I think it would tempt a lot of fans away from receiving the coverage from more dodgy sources.

 

This is what Bernie et al failed to understand. Here we have a forum of fans (not just the general casual viewers) and 25% of them would not want to pay any money and over 50% would not want to pay more than a fiver.

Bernie doesn't see any value in the internet which to me shows he is not in touch with the types of fans that are extremely passionate about the sport. F1 had a healthy following between 2009 and 2011, its best for 25 years and I think they got greedy. Sky bought an established product that saw anywhere from 5 to 8.5m people tuning in at times during the season on the BBC and they all expected F1 fans to jump at the chance to view a dedicated channel. This of course did not happen and demand was much lower than expected. So much was promised too from Sky and I got the impression from their marketing it would be a channel pretty much pumping out archive footage and regular documentaries. They show some great classic races in race week and air a pretty mediocre F1 Show midweek, and I think so much more could be made of it. The fact right now the channel is effectively an advert channel showing short clips shows they are not putting enough effort into it. I think what they do show is pretty good overall, but it is far from value for money if F1 is the only thing you are signing up for.

 

With this in mind, why would FOM spend money setting up a streaming service that only a fraction of enthusiasts would be interested in and actually be willing to pay for? If F1 completely disappeared off FTA and I had no way to stream it or receive it on my set top box, I would probably do what I did with MotoGP and stop watching completely. The sad thing is I think there are a lot of disenchanted F1 fans also in my position on that. I'd rather spend money watching racing live at track days and travel to places like the Isle of Man for the TT or the Ulster GP and North West 200. Those sports need our money a lot more than F1 and the riders do it for the pure love of racing rather than money they don't get a lot of anyway. F1 needs to act and get out of its backside if they want the sport to have any form of popularity in 10 years time. :)



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#40 Sash1

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Posted 27 January 2015 - 10:09

Not paying anything to watch a kazillion logo's and advertisements drive or ride around around a track or public road, to see a bunch of people run across fields, skate in circles or whatever. You want me to see your logo? You can pay me or offer it for free.



#41 Boing 2

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Posted 27 January 2015 - 10:23

Hmmm, how much money would I like to give to one of the wealthiest sports in the world that generates a billion dollars a year in TV revenue alone?

 

 

chuff all.



#42 KiloWatt

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Posted 27 January 2015 - 10:35

I don't have a TV, so I need to go to a sports bar to watch.  When there, I feel compelled to order.  My bill, using a straight currency conversion, is roughly 150 pounds.  So I'd say that.



#43 FredF1

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Posted 27 January 2015 - 10:52

 

 

If there was no FTA  , how much would people be willing to spend ?

 

 

 

Nothing. It's not worth bothering with if I had to pay for it. If F1 disappears off my tv screen then I'll lose interest and don't follow it any more. Out of sight, out of mind and all that. 



#44 oetzi

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Posted 27 January 2015 - 11:07

I wouldn't pay for VOD fullstop. I don't mind paying my Sky subscription though.

 

PPV annoys the hell out of me for some reason.



#45 oetzi

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Posted 27 January 2015 - 11:10

I don't have a TV, so I need to go to a sports bar to watch.  When there, I feel compelled to order.  My bill, using a straight currency conversion, is roughly 150 pounds.  So I'd say that.

£150 per race? That's some heroic drinking!  :cool:



#46 Buttoneer

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Posted 27 January 2015 - 11:46

Nothing. It's not worth bothering with if I had to pay for it. If F1 disappears off my tv screen then I'll lose interest and don't follow it any more. Out of sight, out of mind and all that.

I think that's the reality of it too. The stories generated by the season are hardly worthy of a news bulletin these days. F1 needs to ensure the interest is generated to get new viewers, and THEN find a separate way to monetise the interest. The risk is that some of the people who become interested by the freebie will not progress to spending real money.

I occasionally have difficulty with real life getting in the way of watching live so unless it's a BBC race which I can time shift by half an hour or so, then I sometimes simply don't bother.

#47 jonpollak

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Posted 27 January 2015 - 12:02

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#48 Fatgadget

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Posted 27 January 2015 - 12:27

When free to air ceased,I found other ways of enjoying  F1 for free! :smoking:



#49 Clatter

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Posted 27 January 2015 - 12:35

The poll gives rather a false idea of how much people would be willing to spend as their is a free to air option.

 

If there was no FTA  , how much would people be willing to spend ?

 

I expect the answer would be quite a lot, but what can happen is that you can go to a club to watch the races instead. I was horrified when I moved to New Zealand for a year and discovered that F1 was not shown on TV (back in 1990). I soon discoverd where it was accessible and ended up visiting clubs at really stupid times, like 4:00am to watch the satellite broadcast from Hong Kong. I also discovered that it was a much better chat up line than I expected as I was always accompanied by a group of English and Scandinavian girls who were also addicts.
 

I think your wrong, but agree that the poll would make more sense if the FTA option were removed.



#50 SenorSjon

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Posted 27 January 2015 - 12:36

What is F1's storyline anyway the last couple of seasons?

You had:

Senna vs. Prost (88-93)

Senna vs. Schumacher (93-94)

Rise of the new Champion (94-95)

The Rise of Ferrari and some Williams dudes (96-97)

Schumacher vs. Hakkinen (98-01)

Ferrari's field day (02-04)

Scrappy season (03)

Schumacher vs. Alonso (05-06)

 

I somehow miss the heroic performances of drivers. The cars are closer together but the driver has less difference in hand than in the past. Rules are also more convergent. So would I pay for that?