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[charly0418]

It annoys me that a driver I really like drives for a team I really don't like lol. 

He seems like a really nice chap, I hope he does well this season!

 

you know I also hated Red Bull like 5 years ago, but when I started going to GPs (2-3 a year) I noticed that they were the guys that put the most effort in spreading F1 and doing cool events, I started to go to all of them and now I think they're awesome even though they're cheating bastards lol

[AlexisBT]

DR driving style is a constant attempt to control the uncontrollable. He remains calm in situations where the car is sliding or going a bit too fast/off the racing line etc, which allows him to maintain more speed.

 

It's amazing driving but, as macabre as it sounds, I fully expect him to have a big crash at some point in his career.

 

No one really replied to that... But I strongly disagree with you. Most of the crash comes from bad luck or lack of awareness of potential dangers/other drivers on the track (prime exemple would be Massa and Perez IMO).

[ensign14]

Jack Brabham's fastest lap in that race was faster than Senna's. Brabham was nearly 60 at the time. Let's not get carried away.

 

One stat that tends to get overlooked is Senna never really bothered with setting fastest laps in a race.  41 wins and 65 poles...but "only" 19 fastest laps.  It's well out of kilter with what one would expect (contrast Prost's equivalent stats - 51, 33 and 41).  As the pole stat shows it wasn't for lack of outright speed over a lap - he learned fairly quickly to be consistently and reliably fast at the head of the field.

[Collombin]

Maybe that's down to Senna tending to dominate races from the front and hence taking it easy towards the end of a race - and his era exactly coincided with the no mid-race refuelling rules. So Senna was deliberately going his slowest at the stage of the race that the cars were at their fastest.

[sennafan24]

Maybe that's down to Senna tending to dominate races from the front and hence taking it easy towards the end of a race - and his era exactly coincided with the no mid-race refuelling rules. So Senna was deliberately going his slowest at the stage of the race that the cars were at their fastest.

This was true during the San Marino GP of 1988

 

Prost started 2nd, but fell behind a few cars after a duff start, and had to navigate his way back to 2nd place. By the time Prost worked his way back up to 2nd, Senna had built up a 8 second lead, which he managed until the end.

 

Prost pushed like a madman at the end of the race, which had the McLaren team worried that he was going to run out of fuel. Senna deliberately slowed on the final lap to ensure that his car would make it (despite no indication that he actually would run out of fuel, the concern according to ESPN was that Prost was the one under threat). It was one of the most carefully managed and expertly controlled races I have observed. 

 

In contrast, Senna could push towards the end of races if he wanted to. At Germany 1989, he fell behind Prost due to a bad pit-stop (his 2 second lead, became a 4 second deficit solely based on the pit-stop). Senna slowly closed the gap on Prost throughout the final stint and got within a second. Then Prost's gearbox expired, and Senna took the lead back (a nice luck adjuster). 

 

Senna did make errors due to pushing when it was not needed (Monaco 1988), but the majority of the time he was excellent at managing his pace. 

[Tenmantaylor]

I dont believe that time.There is no way.

Sebastian, is that you?

Edited by Tenmantaylor, 09 February 2015 - 22:52.

[lbennie]

Sebastian, is that you?

 

To be fair, he may have had a cracked chassis

[Tenmantaylor]

In the Liana?!

[bigmack]

Sebastian, is that you?

 

Made me laugh...

[mclarensmps]

Didn't they used to do that with rally sprints? Or that annual  micky mouse race of champions whatever?..Never proved anything if you ask me lol.

 

Ah, I don't disagree with you, but it's fun to watch, and another barometer to discuss them by!

 

you know I also hated Red Bull like 5 years ago, but when I started going to GPs (2-3 a year) I noticed that they were the guys that put the most effort in spreading F1 and doing cool events, I started to go to all of them and now I think they're awesome even though they're cheating bastards lol

 

I have nothing against Red Bull, as a company. They do try to make things fun for fans, which is great. In fact, I'm a huge fan of the Red Bull air races! I just don't like the F1 team. Actually, specifically, I don't like Horner, and Mateschitz' henchman, I forget his name... 

 

Also don't live Vettel or his race engineer, but I don't have to worry about them anymore

[Gilles4Ever]

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