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#2301 wonk123

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Posted 17 November 2015 - 10:39

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#2302 YoungGun

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Posted 17 November 2015 - 10:52

And its now been proven to the contrary. Ricciardo's lap was actually pretty mighty in qualifying considering the engine deficit. No point continuing to argue now its been confirmed by even Renault.

 

Considering Ric was on average almost 3/10's quicker through FP1-FP3, it's a bit rich to suggest Ric put in a mightily lap during qualifying.



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Posted 17 November 2015 - 11:03

Considering Ric was on average almost 3/10's quicker through FP1-FP3, it's a bit rich to suggest Ric put in a mightily lap during qualifying.

 

That's pretty obviously a case of them turning their respective engines up for quali (as they always do, albeit they don't have the same uber modes that Merc does) and Daniil's engine was capable of a bit more (as Horner said during the quali coverage itself).

 

In fact it kind of proves the point that Dan was likely a bit quicker over the weekend, given he was ahead while things were turned down to what was probably a very similar level. 



#2304 Growing

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Posted 17 November 2015 - 11:11

Considering Ric was on average almost 3/10's quicker through FP1-FP3, it's a bit rich to suggest Ric put in a mightily lap during qualifying.

 Kvyat took more time to get the right rythium, despite he was using a better PU.  Only in qualify he managed to extract what it was possible.

 

fp3 

ham 1:12:0

ric  1:13.572      

kvy  1:13.829

 

q3

ham 1:11.360  (-0.7sec)

ric  1:12.417 (-1.1 sec - fp3)

kvy 1:12.322 (-1.5 sec - fp3)



#2305 YoungGun

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Posted 17 November 2015 - 11:16

That's pretty obviously a case of them turning their respective engines up for quali (as they always do, albeit they don't have the same uber modes that Merc does) and Daniil's engine was capable of a bit more (as Horner said during the quali coverage itself).

 

In fact it kind of proves the point that Dan was likely a bit quicker over the weekend, given he was ahead while things were turned down to what was probably a very similar level. 

 

Nonsense, RIC fails to deliver when it counts in Brazil, to date he has finished 20Th, 13Th, 11Th and 11Th. 



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Posted 17 November 2015 - 12:20

Considering Ric was on average almost 3/10's quicker through FP1-FP3, it's a bit rich to suggest Ric put in a mightily lap during qualifying.

 

Do mighty laps in Free Practice invalidate qualifying laps? He had a race setup and an engine 20hp down on power. Yet he got within a tenth. That is hugely impressive. 

 

 

Nonsense, RIC fails to deliver when it counts in Brazil, to date he has finished 20Th, 13Th, 11Th and 11Th. 

 
 
So wait, you're citing a year he was in a HRT, a year which his pit strategy got messed with, you got 2013 completely wrong dare I suspect that was no accident, he finished 10th in 2013 and this season he had an off the pace engine and a grid drop. Yet you fail to provide any context in an attempt to try and paint the performances in a negative light.
 
I sense a real pattern to your contributions.

Edited by RPM40, 17 November 2015 - 12:22.


#2307 YoungGun

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Posted 17 November 2015 - 13:32

 

Do mighty laps in Free Practice invalidate qualifying laps? He had a race setup and an engine 20hp down on power. Yet he got within a tenth. That is hugely impressive. 

 

 

 
 
So wait, you're citing a year he was in a HRT, a year which his pit strategy got messed with, you got 2013 completely wrong dare I suspect that was no accident, he finished 10th in 2013 and this season he had an off the pace engine and a grid drop. Yet you fail to provide any context in an attempt to try and paint the performances in a negative light.
 
I sense a real pattern to your contributions.

 

 

It confirms what Daniel states,

 

"It is a short lap and ideally I like something with a few more corners. I cannot honestly say what the secret is to getting a good lap at Interlagos because I am not sure I have ever really nailed it!



#2308 RPM40

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Posted 17 November 2015 - 13:46

It confirms what Daniel states,

 

"It is a short lap and ideally I like something with a few more corners. I cannot honestly say what the secret is to getting a good lap at Interlagos because I am not sure I have ever really nailed it!

 

Its all a relative thing. Just because he's personally never felt its one of his stronger tracks doesn't mean he wasn't majorly affected by an engine down on power. 

 

Also stop trying to drive the thread offtopic with the Ricciardo slander, this is about the RB11.



#2309 YoungGun

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Posted 17 November 2015 - 14:07

Its all a relative thing. Just because he's personally never felt its one of his stronger tracks doesn't mean he wasn't majorly affected by an engine down on power. 

 

Also stop trying to drive the thread offtopic with the Ricciardo slander, this is about the RB11.

 

You brought up RIC, so yeah lets keep the thread on topic. :p



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Posted 26 November 2015 - 08:14

Red Bull will drop the upgraded Renault engine and use old spec unit for #AbuDhabiGP: beta.autosport.com/news/report.ph…



#2311 lbennie

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Posted 26 November 2015 - 09:16

:lol:



#2312 RPM40

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Posted 26 November 2015 - 10:06

Good job Renault  :mad:



#2313 Redback

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Posted 26 November 2015 - 10:53

It's a quality product...

 

Q: How many ****wits does it take to make a Renault engine?

A: One, - but why use just one, when you have so many at your disposal?



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Posted 26 November 2015 - 12:37

Based on 333.8 up to 337.7 today compared to Kvyat at 334.7 to 335.6.


Kvyat fan and young gun, you both were trying to deny that ricciardo new engine was not only lacking improvement but also slower than the the previous.
Some users got upset by your insistence on denying..
Now the truth is there, they will turn back to the old engine. I hope you guys have understood now.

#2315 goingthedistance

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Posted 26 November 2015 - 12:48

Yes, the only reason they'd resort to the old (very, very tired) PU is if the new ICE was significantly slower (which Horner did say). So there you go. Case closed. 



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Posted 26 November 2015 - 13:20

I'm disappointed they didn't try something with the new turbo, at least to confirm whether the ICE was a dud or was simply changed to accommodate the turbo.

Edited by FPV GTHO, 26 November 2015 - 13:20.


#2317 SophieB

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Posted 27 November 2015 - 08:48

#F1 Daniel Ricciardo to start FP1 with an aero tests. Sensors already mounted. #AMuS #AbuDhabiGP

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#2318 V8 Fireworks

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Posted 27 November 2015 - 09:24

Good job Renault  :mad:

 

You mean:

 

Good job Renault  :clap:

 

:up:  :up:  :up:

 

Happy to fix it for you.  The fact of the matter is that the Renault IS a top quality engine.  It is somewhat reliable, some of the time, and complies to the regulations :up:  and can compete triumphantly for top 15 positions. :clap:  What else would a fan want!?  :confused:



#2319 YoungGun

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Posted 27 November 2015 - 10:56

Kvyat fan and young gun, you both were trying to deny that ricciardo new engine was not only lacking improvement but also slower than the the previous.
Some users got upset by your insistence on denying..
Now the truth is there, they will turn back to the old engine. I hope you guys have understood now.

 

I don't believe I (we) were denying anything, just wanting more proof. Of course with Horner's impeccable credibility, or should we say tenancy to through anyone or anything under the bus we could have in retrospect been more lenient.   ;)


Edited by YoungGun, 27 November 2015 - 10:57.


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Posted 27 November 2015 - 16:23

You mean:

 

Good job Renault  :clap:

 

:up:  :up:  :up:

 

Happy to fix it for you.  The fact of the matter is that the Renault IS a top quality engine.  It is somewhat reliable, some of the time, and complies to the regulations :up:  and can compete triumphantly for top 15 positions. :clap:  What else would a fan want!?  :confused:

I agree it's quite pathetic from Renault, but, do you/we prefer F1 with Renault of without Renault? I think that's really the question we should answer right now.


Edited by jure, 27 November 2015 - 16:25.


#2321 BCM

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Posted 27 November 2015 - 23:45

Wouldn't bother me in the slightest to see Renault out the door. 

 

Just because they've been involved for however many years doesn't make them irreplaceable.

 

To paraphrase de Gaulle: "The jumkyards of the world are full of indispensable engine manufacturers."

 

They clearly don't want to spend the money to be competitive. They're even trying to do their own manufacturer team on the cheap. I look forward to its inglorious failure.


Edited by BCM, 27 November 2015 - 23:47.


#2322 V8 Fireworks

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Posted 28 November 2015 - 00:59

I agree it's quite pathetic from Renault, 

 

:confused:

 

Renault is a truly superb power unit.  :up: