1960 Kentish '100' at Brands Hatch
#1
Posted 11 February 2015 - 20:26
If there is one around, does it have the car colours listed? I am particularly interested in the Essex Racing Team Coopers of Tony Maggs and John Whitmore.
Dear old David McKinney sent me a black and white picture of Maggs a couple of years ago and the car looks very light, maybe even white, with a dark panel down the nose.
I remember Jackie Oliver driving an F.2 Lotus with Essex in the team name and that was white and green but there isn't necessarily any link between the two teams.
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#2
Posted 11 February 2015 - 20:51
Roger Lund
#3
Posted 11 February 2015 - 20:56
#4
Posted 11 February 2015 - 21:09
http://forums.autosp...me-a-long-shot/
#5
Posted 11 February 2015 - 21:32
Barry
The one Essex Racing car which I was ever concerned with was one of the DB4GTs, it was a very pale Lime Green
John
#6
Posted 11 February 2015 - 21:57
That's interesting, John. Would you say it was anything like the B.R.P./U.D.T. green?
#7
Posted 11 February 2015 - 22:03
Barry, sorry to screw up. It was 1961 and Whitmore was in the Gilby Climax sports car. The main reason I recall Whitmore in something different is because Steve McQueen was listed as the alternative driver. The entry list was on the same photocopy as the race list involving my researched marque. Did David's pic have a date at all, makes it easier to trace?
BTW pls pm me with your new e mail address.
Roger
#8
Posted 11 February 2015 - 22:11
Barry, Snett meeting 17.9.60, Race 2, car nos 23 and 24, Maggs and Whitmore, Ogier Team Coopers. 1475cc, no colours listed
Roger
#9
Posted 11 February 2015 - 22:27
The plot deepens. Looking in Autosport for clues, 23.9.60, I looked by chance in 30.9 issue to see why I had markered a page for notice. It is an ad for John Ogier selling the 2 Coopers , c/w bw picture. One car is dark, ex RRC Walker, the other, listed as ex Maggs, is an intriguing 2 tone with light nose and panniertanks, but dark "bonnet" and engine cover. Not in colour but I am happy to scan it in 600x600 dpi hi res. Does that scheme tie in with David's pic?.
Might Mr Goddard have done some shots at that time, 1960 ? Maggs and Sir John were both comingmen , although Sir John has told me he was never very keen on single seaters.
Roger
PS it is only a small, very small photo.
#10
Posted 11 February 2015 - 22:34
#11
Posted 11 February 2015 - 23:10
The car in the picture - from the helmet I'd say it is Whitmore - certainly doesn't look white and a darker colour.
Edited by Barry Boor, 11 February 2015 - 23:11.
#12
Posted 12 February 2015 - 00:27
RL
#13
Posted 12 February 2015 - 02:16
Either way, that is definitely the livery, I just can't pin down the colours.
Good shot of Mike McKee in one of those photos, too.
Ah, I just realised, we are talking about different pictures..... Yes, clearly Maggs in #34 but Whitmore on page 1, followed by Geoff Duke's Lotus 18.
Initially, I never noticed that there was more than one page of pictures.
Edited by Barry Boor, 12 February 2015 - 02:34.
#14
Posted 12 February 2015 - 07:33
Barry Boor, on 11 Feb 2015 - 22:57, said:Barry Boor, on 11 Feb 2015 - 22:57, said:That's interesting, John. Would you say it was anything like the B.R.P./U.D.T. green?
Barry, the BRP cars were of a darker hue and the OGIER cars were very pale indeed. Somewhere I have a photo which I'll look for a email to you if you'll pm your email.
John
Edited by Sharman, 12 February 2015 - 07:35.
#15
Posted 12 February 2015 - 08:40
The good news - I have the programme. The bad news - it doesn't give the colours of the cars.
#16
Posted 12 February 2015 - 09:23
Edited by Barry Boor, 12 February 2015 - 09:24.
#17
Posted 12 February 2015 - 09:30
I assumed Gendebien would be in a Belgian yellow Cooper not a Yeoman Credit car as Y.C. did not run in that many F.2 races in 1960. Plus I see Flockhart's Emeryson had a Tony Marsh-type White nose, mine didn't.
Because of the fact that I hadn't got around to building a Lotus 18 for Tony Marsh, I had him in his Cooper with Jack Lewis in his nearly black and white Cooper #40, in which he was entered, rather than the #20 car that he actually drove.
Also the Russell team car for Mike McKee had changed the design of the large silver panel on the nose. In 1959 it just went right to the tip but I see they rounded it off and boy did they use big numbers!
Edited by Barry Boor, 12 February 2015 - 09:32.