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#3951 milestone 11

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Posted 07 March 2015 - 09:29

Sorry, that was Eric Boullier's interview. His comments are published in another post, thankfully.


OK, thanks.

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#3952 YoungGun

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Posted 07 March 2015 - 09:30

Sorry, that was Eric Boullier's interview. His comments are published in another post, thankfully.

 

http://kfgo.com/news...so-memory-loss/



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Posted 07 March 2015 - 09:39

http://kfgo.com/news...so-memory-loss/


Thanks YoungGun but I was already aware of Boullier's lies and obfuscation.

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Posted 07 March 2015 - 10:07

So now   ...   if Boullier, Wurtz, etc say Alonso wasn't electrocuted or that he was conscious up until impact   ...   they're lying?

 

Interesting.

 

 

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Edited by AustinF1, 07 March 2015 - 10:49.


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Posted 07 March 2015 - 10:10

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According to Corriere dello Sport Alonso is preparing for Malaysian GP in... Dubai

 


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Posted 07 March 2015 - 10:14

Thanks YoungGun but I was already aware of Boullier's lies and obfuscation.

 

Yep. Boullier lies, McLaren lies, Alonso lies, the doctors lie, everybody lies about this matter, but we are luck people because we have the press who always, always, tell us the truth. The press has the most reliable sources in the universe; those sources are so reliable that they do not even need to provide facts. The press never, never speculates, the press has never been proven wrong, they never contradict themselves, they are not interested in impact headlines, not at all. Boullier has much more to lose if he is lying than, for example, the press, but it does not matter because we can be sure that the press, F1 press in particular, always, always, tell us the actual facts.

 

One thing is certain, they have speculated so, so much about this matter, that according to the probabilistic law, they may be right about something, I donโ€™t know about what, but something. 



#3957 ButtonForEver

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Posted 07 March 2015 - 10:15

I don' believe that McLaren is so unfair to hide a problem of the car, putting at risk the health of JB and Magnussen. otherwise they would be criminals.

That said, I'm very sorry for Alonso, if he had really a physical problem so serious (TIA or other), honestly, I don't think we'll see him ever again in F1.
I hope to be wrong, but I'm now quite pessimistic.
 
Fingers crossed for him, this sport has still need you Fernando.


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Posted 07 March 2015 - 10:15

 

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According to Corriere dello Sport Alonso is preparing for Malaysian GP in... Dubai

 

 

 

 

 

He lives there anyway, and is a great way to cut his plane hours flying to the races.



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Posted 07 March 2015 - 10:17

Yep. Boullier lies, McLaren lies, Alonso lies, the doctors lie, everybody lies about this matter, 

 

Yes. McLaren just needs to gain some time to train somebody to replace Alonso. Just like the Beatles replaced Paul.



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#3960 YoungGun

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Posted 07 March 2015 - 10:30

 

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According to Corriere dello Sport Alonso is preparing for Malaysian GP in... Dubai

 

 

 

 

That's encouraging. One would think flying so soon after suffering a concussion would not be recommended.



#3961 SealTheDiffuser

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Posted 07 March 2015 - 10:31

He lives there anyway, and is a great way to cut his plane hours flying to the races.

 

Australia is still too far away from there it seems. :smoking:



#3962 Nicktendo86

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Posted 07 March 2015 - 10:36

Alonso still tweeting this morning.

#dondeTeHasDespertadoHoy ..???

Buenos dรญas!!

#whereDidYouWakeUpToday ..???

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Posted 07 March 2015 - 10:40

Yep. Boullier lies, McLaren lies, Alonso lies, the doctors lie, everybody lies about this matter

And what did you expect? That they will tell us:

1) "Yep, our driver was electrocuted" ?

or

2) "Yep, he lost his conciuousness before the accident" ?

Of course they won't admit the truth, because the 1. scenario puts them in a really bad light and the 2. one may cause, that Alonso will be banned for racing, if he looses his conciousness without a reason.

Hence we have all the stories about some freak tornado pushing him into the wall, which I hope no serious human being believs.



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Posted 07 March 2015 - 10:42

Hence we have all the stories about some freak tornado pushing him into the wall, which I hope no serious human being believs.

I would suggest that Dean Stoneman might just have a slightly different view on that one...

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Posted 07 March 2015 - 10:43

And its wrong. I advise you and Knuckles to look for my translations of yesterday of both articles.

Specifically, it does NOT talk about any not seen first impact, but about the initial spin, wich can not be seen.
I already answered to Knuckles Again yesterday what I think about, and I essentially agree with you.
Also, in the articles it becomes clear that the journalists have not seen the Video, but have been told about.
Please look for my posts from yesterday to judge the not so big difference between both articles from Gazzetta.

Thanks FIrstWatt for the clarification.



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Posted 07 March 2015 - 10:43

What is the truth then Vincent?

Edited by Nicktendo86, 07 March 2015 - 10:44.


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Posted 07 March 2015 - 10:45

Australia is still too far away from there it seems. :smoking:

 

Not 21 days yet :smoking:



#3968 ExFlagMan

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Posted 07 March 2015 - 10:50

Sorry, that was Eric Boullier's interview. His comments are published in another post, thankfully.

That explanation disappoints me, I had interpreted ypur original post of a blank video as a being the alleged Ferrari in-car video footage!

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Posted 07 March 2015 - 10:52

So now   ...   if Boullier, Wurtz, etc say Alonso wasn't electrocuted or that he was conscious up until impact   ...   they're lying?

 

Interesting.

 

 

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Sorry, but where did Wurtz say Alonso was conscious up until impact? He strongly denies the electric shock but tells nothing about being conscious or not.



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Posted 07 March 2015 - 10:55

Sorry, but where did Wurtz say Alonso was conscious up until impact? He strongly denies the electric shock but tells nothing about being conscious or not.

 

He didn't afaik. I said "or".



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Posted 07 March 2015 - 10:57

Yep. Boullier lies,

He opened his mouth didn't he? Leopards don't change their spots.

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Posted 07 March 2015 - 10:57

He didn't afaik. I said "or".

ok, sorry, I misunderstood your post then.



#3973 peroa

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Posted 07 March 2015 - 11:01

Alonso not being in a race benefits other drivers, that is for sure. 

Oh, yeah, fo' sure, especially considering the state of the MP4-30.

Him racing in Oz or not won't make much of a diference.

Do you think that he'd be sitting at home if he was in a WDC battle and it was the last race of the year?



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Posted 07 March 2015 - 11:08

I am glad that Fernando seems to be in a good mood, and Boullier's interview also soothed my mind a bit.

 

For the time being and for the calm of my mind I decided they already know what the cause for the accident was, and it wasn't such that would prevent Fernando from driving, but he doesn't want to announce it to the world what kind of medical scare he had (as a medical reason seems to be the most logical explanation for the accident), but it is not dangerous either for himself or for the others. The FIA doctors will know about it obviously, but they (just as McLaren) will be bind by law to not to put it out in the open, only Fernando could do that if he chooses to. If he doesn't then we won't get to know the real reason and we will have to accept that.

 

This is the optimistic version. The pessimistic one is that they didn't find anything and this will be a lottery. Let's hope this is not the case.

 

EDIT: I do not believe the reports about missing 20 years and about thinking he drives for Ferrari  :)  That is just the side-effect of a mysterious crash involving one of the star drivers of F1, especially since it happened in Spain. Actually Ron Dennis said in the first interview he gave that Fernando suffered retrograde amnesia, so it is not a new information either.


Edited by krumpli12, 07 March 2015 - 11:14.


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Posted 07 March 2015 - 11:10

None at all as I have no position, other than the obvious that there is something very odd about this entire incident and aftermath, where I recall BMW had a mechanic electroshocked back in 2008.

 

 http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/69391

And the driver sitting in the car felt nothing.



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Posted 07 March 2015 - 11:13

What is the truth then Vincent?

For me it's either 1) or 2) case from my previous post.

I just don't buy that story about wind, because as Vettel and some Journo stated, it looked like he just turned into the wall at low speed, which fits perfectly to the theory of him loosing his consciousness either for some medical or electricity reason. He's lost his consciousness, made some uncontrolled movoment (just from being unconscious or even more so from being electrocuted when you may squeeze your muslces completely without your control) and hit the wall - end of the story. 

 

McLaren are lucky, there is no onboard video from the accident available, because then they wouldn't be able to feed us with all these childish stories.


Edited by VincentVega, 07 March 2015 - 11:24.


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Posted 07 March 2015 - 11:17

Perhaps he did not see the video, was just told by a Ferrari insider there is such a video that does not unfortunately show the impact, just the aftermath or then he saw it and was not professional enough to also report it has the part before the impact.

 

I simply used this 27.2. story to confirm 6.2. was not the first time Gazzetta talks about the video since it was challenged it does not even exist.

 

But as you suggested, I am happy to agree to disagree with you, lets hope a fast recovery to Fred on top of that.

 

Then he should not write, "C'รจ un filmato" and its content as if he had seen it. And yes, like you wrote, "perhaps ... was not professional enough to also report ...". This is all I'm saying: The way this was reported was not good enough for me to trust any of it.



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Posted 07 March 2015 - 11:19

http://www.bild.de/s...60400.bild.html

 

Two big hits in the head in one game resulting in memory loss, concussion ...



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Posted 07 March 2015 - 11:25

Just imagine if McLaren had said not too long after the accident: 'Fernando had a concussion, he is all right now, but shortly after the accident he was confused. Therefore, the doctors advised him to take special pre-caution and hence he will not start in Melbourne.'

 

No fuss, no drama, no hype. And now Boullier (and others) are shooting at the press and fans because they are speculating...



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Posted 07 March 2015 - 11:42

Part II to be found here:
http://forums.autosp...g-2015-part-ii/